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Times Quick Cryptic 1466 by Joker

This QC was so well devised that it led me the wrong way around most of the clues. I gave up on any thought of timings and settled down to work through and enjoy the cleverness of the clues. I struggled most trying to finish in the NE but made it in the end.
For Jackkt (and anyone else) who has mentioned problems with reading the font, I would point out that the word in 3dn is BURN (not bum).
ACROSS
4. Eccentric drunken widower giving out whiskey (6)
WEIRDO - anagram (drunken) of wIDOWER - without whiskey (W).
7. Sell death-trap missing odd parts for prolonged quarrel (8)
VENDETTA - sell (VEND), d(E)a(T)h (T)r(A)p.
8. What tea does at home — fine with us English (6)
INFUSE - at home (IN), fine (F) with us (US), English (E).
9. Current desperate before court is not going straight (8)
INDIRECT - current (IN - vogue), desperate (DIRE - bad), court (CT).
10. Notice small storage container (4)
SPOT - small (S), storage container (POT).
12. Chest bone found in tumulus near the end (8)
MORIBUND - chest bone (RIB) found in tumulus (MOUND).
15. Star rode about in open-top car (8)
ROADSTER - anagram (about) of STAR RODE.
18. Chairmen regularly feel concern (4)
CARE - (C)h(A)i(R)m(E)n.
20. Discovering strange and flashy jewellery (8)
RUMBLING (finding out about) - strange (RUM), flashy jewellery (BLING).
22. Cast embracing chap showing compassion (6)
HUMANE - cast (HUE/shade/colour) around chap (MAN).
23. Dislike a particular edition (8)
AVERSION - a (A), particular edition (VERSION).
24. A key opening for period before Christmas (6)
ADVENT - a (A), key (D - music), opening (VENT).
DOWN
1. Be inclined to be skinny (4)
LEAN - double definition.
2. Hooked cadet did badly (8)
ADDICTED - anagram (badly) of CADET DID.
3. Burn saint concerning a mass (6)
STREAM (this meaning of burn took me ages) - Saint (ST), concerning (RE), a (A), mass (M - as in mass in physics not in a church). COD for doubly confusing me.
4. One serving island in the sea, perhaps (6)
WAITER - island (I) in sea, perhaps/for example (WATER).
5. Intelligence of kinfolk? (4)
INFO - of as in belonging to as in inside the word k(INFO)lk. expertly hidden in plain sight.
6. Creator of grid seen to be twisted (8)
DESIGNER - anagram (to be twisted) of GRID SEEN. I spent a long time trying to fit In an anagram of ‘seen to be'.
11. Advance for the UK’s currency (8)
PROPOUND - for (PRO), UK's currency (POUND).
13. United previously eliminating clubs (3)
ONE - previously (ON)c(E) - omitting clubs (C).
14. Support flogging for a violent reaction (8)
BACKLASH - support (BACK), flogging (LASH - not sure these are really synonymous but by now I’m enjoying the clues too much to quibble).
16. Hard coming in to deal with possibility of trouble (6)
THREAT - hard (H) coming in to deal with (TREAT - eg patient).
17. Sheep, black is a bit of a fast fighter? (6)
RAMJET - sheep (RAM), black (JET). Well, I suppose I’ve heard of 'ramjet' and I’m sure it’s in all the sources but it didn’t leap out at me.
19. Become weaker and pale with little energy (4)
WANE - pale (WAN), little energy (E).
21. Corner quite the opposite of satisfactory (4)
NOOK - the opposite of satisfactory=NO OK. a final devious twist to finish us off - thanks Joker.

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flashman
Oct. 22nd, 2019 07:23 am (UTC)
21 mins.
Got stuck on loi wane which required an alphabet trawl.

My only parsing pauses were cast for hue in 22a and 21d which looked like notok.

Dnk ramjet.
Liked infuse, rumbling, stream, and propound.
Cod moribund.

Edited at 2019-10-22 07:30 am (UTC)
davidivad1
Oct. 22nd, 2019 07:31 am (UTC)
Tuesday
No problems with this until my LOI 17d. I had thought of RAM immediately but then could not find an answer so went back to trying to think of various sorts of sheep. All of that added about 6 minutes to my time until I rammed in the unknown RAMJET and was pleased and a bit surprised to find it was correct. I'm going to look it up now.
Time was 20:12,invokes memories of that great year in London.
David
kevingregg
Oct. 22nd, 2019 07:33 am (UTC)
Slow going, though now I can't remember why. Never knowing how to spell 'weird' played a part, until I got INFO. And I wasted time on 4d thinking of AIT as the island, and wondering pointlessly about how WER worked. I'd take (the) LASH as an abstract noun, rather like (the) 'gallows'='hanging'. 7:56.
templarredux
Oct. 22nd, 2019 08:22 am (UTC)
A very good puzzle but a DNF for me because I’d never heard of a RAMJET and failed to work it out from wordplay (couldn't see past B for the “black”). Hey ho. 12 enjoyable mins for the rest.

FOI WEIRDO, LOI (that I got) and also COD MORIBUND.

Thanks Joker and Chris.

Templar
john_dun
Oct. 22nd, 2019 08:28 am (UTC)
I found this relatively straightforward apart from the sheep where I was trying to fit ROMNEY in, except that I couldn't parse it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romney_sheep I spotted RAMJET once I'd equated RAM to part of the clue and JET for black soon followed. I did know the engine type. 7:43. Thanks Joker and Chris.

Edited at 2019-10-22 08:29 am (UTC)
oldblighter
Oct. 22nd, 2019 08:39 am (UTC)
An excellent puzzle. A nice mix of write-ins, misdirection, and real head-scratchers - but all were reasonably accessible, I thought. I liked STREAM, PROPOUND, RAMJET, INFUSE, MORIBUND, RUMBLING, and INFO was well hidden. Just under 2.5K so not bad for a Tuesday. Many thanks to Joker and to Chris for his usual fine blog. John M.
therotter
Oct. 22nd, 2019 08:48 am (UTC)
17m for me, held up by RAMJET which I had heard of, but failed to spot for a while.

Chris, whilst you have explained how 1d works, you have omitted the answer in your otherwise excellent blog.
chrisw91
Oct. 22nd, 2019 09:45 am (UTC)
Thanks. I’m out at the moment and find that, on the phone, I can only see html format. Rather than risk fouling the whole thing up, I’ll add ‘lean’ in when I get to a better machine.
jackkt
Oct. 22nd, 2019 09:02 am (UTC)
15 minutes for the second consecutive day means I'm not having a good week with the QCs so far. I lost time getting started and also over the unknown RAMJET which I bunged in eventually from wordplay.

Edited at 2019-10-22 01:02 pm (UTC)
louisajaney
Oct. 22nd, 2019 09:08 am (UTC)
Tricky
I normally whiz through Joker's puzzles. Not today, sadly. I gave up after half an hour with 17 down and 12 across still not answered. DNK RAMJET. Felt sure that 12 across must pay some attention to "sternum". Alas, no. Not wild about the clueing in that one as it seems rather contrived to me. Perhaps I'm just feeling grumpy. I was also held up by putting in POST for 10 across, parsing it as receiving post being akin to receiving a notice. Only when I cracked - finally - 11 down did I see the error of my ways. Liked 3 down - it was one of my first answers. Thanks, Chris, for the blog, and, thanks, too, to Joker.
desdeeloeste
Oct. 22nd, 2019 09:18 am (UTC)
This proved a steady solve starting off in the NE corner and then attempting clues with checkers in situ on what seemed a rather unhelpful grid. I didn't spot VENDETTA, MORIBUND or HUMANE on first pass and my LOI after putting in RAM, doing an alphabet trawl and crossing my fingers was RAMJET a word I am unfamiliar with. Thank you all. Just over 10 mins.
crispb
Oct. 22nd, 2019 09:35 am (UTC)
A slow solve today by my recent standards, though 37:09 is still under my target. Perhaps it's time to reduce the target to 35 minutes or even 30. Anyway, a few things I hadn't heard of or at least were at the extremities of my memory, but they could all be worked around with a combination of wordplay and checkers. Ramjet was one, but jet for black has come up fairly recently I think so that went in, cast for hue is unfamiliar, and I couldn't remember what a tumulus was although I'm sure it has come up before. You can always rely on Joker being scrupulously fair though, and if he does include something a little more obscure, he always gives you enough help to work it out. That's my experience anyway. LOI was 'nook', COD was either 7a or 4d.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 22nd, 2019 10:11 am (UTC)
Ramjet
Just for other pedants out there, ramjet is the term for the engine not the aircraft (as in fighter). Would be fast though...
(Anonymous)
Oct. 22nd, 2019 11:12 am (UTC)
Re: Ramjet
Collins has 'both a type of jet engine' and 'an aircraft powered by such an engine'
RE: Re: Ramjet - (Anonymous) - Oct. 22nd, 2019 04:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
philjordan
Oct. 22nd, 2019 10:16 am (UTC)
I got slightly held up....
....in the SE corner before RUMBLING RAMJET. Nice puzzle, finished within target.

I before E except after...er....W ?

FOI WEIRDO
LOI NOOK
COD MORIBUND
templarredux
Oct. 22nd, 2019 10:58 am (UTC)
RE: I got slightly held up....
You’ve forgotten the last bit of the rhyme, Phil - “I before E, except after C - when the sound is E” is the full version!
RE: I got slightly held up.... - philjordan - Oct. 23rd, 2019 09:47 am (UTC) - Expand
raincloud8
Oct. 22nd, 2019 10:27 am (UTC)
Nice work out today, solved on paper so not sure of time. (However long it takes to get from East Finchley tube station to Tottenham Court Road).

A lot of the time could’ve been squeezed out of that if I hadn’t stared at RAM_E_ for ages. Thought the sheep was definitely ram, but was expecting a B next for black. Eventually I remembered jet being used for black sometimes and tentatively entered what turned out to be the right answer!

RC
templarredux
Oct. 22nd, 2019 10:59 am (UTC)
Well done RC - I just stared at RAMBE_ for ages and then gave up!
(Anonymous)
Oct. 22nd, 2019 11:32 am (UTC)
Took me an hour or thereabouts. Didn't know what a tumulus is so had to look it up, at which point the answer was obvious. RAMJET was straight forward so long as you knew of them. Unusually had to resort to pen & paper for some anagrams.
Ah well, not my day but good to have finished.
PlayUpPompey
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