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Times Cryptic 27404

I needed 59 minutes to complete this one but on refelection I'm not sure why. I shall be interested to read how others fared.



As usual definitions are underlined in bold italics, {deletions and substitutions are in curly brackets} and [anagrinds, containment, reversal and other indicators in square ones]

Across
1 Siamese location on main line (4-5)
SEAL-POINT - SEA (main), L (line), POINT (location). It's a variety of Siamese cat. It has come up before in a couple of long-forgotten 15x15s, on both occasions as a 9-letter word. More recently (well, in 2016) it was in a Jumbo as (4-5)
6 Day needed to bottle Irish rum (5)
WEIRD - WED (day) containing [to bottle] IR (Irish)
9 Repeatedly thanks plumber, finally turning taps (3-1-3)
RAT-A-TAT - Reverse [turning] of TA TA TA (repeatedly thanks), {plumbe}R [finally]. Taps on the door.
10 Brutal Scotsman masking new and unpleasant whiff (7)
INHUMAN - IAN (Scotsman) containing [masking] N (new) + HUM (unpleasant whiff). A surface reading best not thought about if solving over breakfast!
11 Cloth Asians wrap around copper piping inside (5)
DHOTI - HOT (piping) contained by [inside] DI (copper - Detective Inspector)
12 Green specialist in City loves squeezing large marrow (9)
ECOLOGIST - EC (City), 00 (loves) containing [squeezing] L (large), GIST (marrow - the vital or essential part of e.g. an idea or argument)
13 Faculty has objective bringing in Liberal (5)
FLAIR - FAIR (objective) containing [bringing in] L (Liberal)
14 Clear to me, suffering, one gets there eventually? (9)
LATECOMER - Anagram [suffering] of CLEAR TO ME
17 Wasted the bacon sandwiches one cut (9)
AITCHBONE - Anagram [wasted] of THE BACON contains [sandwiches] I (one). SOED has: A cut of beef lying over the buttock or rump bone.
18 Some drivel in edition with ruling (5)
LINED - Hidden in [some] {drive}L IN ED{ition}. As in 'lined notepaper'.
19 Pet having to tolerate an arboreal creature (5,4)
HONEY BEAR - HONEY (pet - terms of affection), BEAR (tolerate), aka kinkajou, sun bear and sloth bear, or so Collins informs me.
22 Minimal information about English female in suit (5)
BEFIT - BIT (minimal information) containing [about] E (English) + F (female)
24 Improve gag about old uniform (7)
RETOUCH - RETCH (gag) containing [about] O (old) + U (uniform)
25 University student is clear to return gadget (7)
UTENSIL - U (universtity), then L (student) + IS + NET (clear) reversed [to return]
26 500 on ship wear formal clothes (5)
DRESS - D (500), RE (on), SS (ship). As in 'dress for dinner'.
27 Strip staff member giving support in tent (9)
RIDGEPOLE - RIDGE (strip), POLE (staff). I'm assuming this from Collins accounts for 'member' in the clue: a component part of a building or construction.
Down
1 Actor finally in cast gets smallest part (5)
SHRED - {acto}R [finally] contained by [in] SHED (cast)
2 One to depart this world like man strapped in tight? (9)
ASTRONAUT - AST (like), RON (man) contained by [strapped in] TAUT (tight)
3 Pawn courts one escaping wealthy tribal leader (9)
PATRIARCH - P (pawn), ATRIA (courts), R{i}CH (wealthy) [one escaping]
4 Wearing but a smile as fitness keeps love secure in Bury (2,3,10)
IN THE ALTOGETHER - HEALTH (fitness) contains [keeps] 0 (love) + GET (secure), all contained by [in] INTER (bury). Two rather coy ways of referring to nakedness, the one in the answer reminding me of this as sung by Danny Kaye in the first film I ever saw.
5 Meagre dinner though not badly cooked (4,2,3,6)
THIN ON THE GROUND - Anagram [badly cooked] of DINNER THOUGH NOT
6 Sorted how to contain area round burning bush (5)
WAHOO - Anagram [sorted] of HOW contains A (area), O (round). A word unknown to me, but it's a shrub and apparently one variety of WAHOO has the nickname 'burning bush'.
7 Metrical patterns in book one French friend carries (5)
IAMBI - I (one), AMI (French friend) contains [carrries] B (book)
8 Made inedible with teeth, all at first tucking in (9)
DENATURED - A{ll} [at first] contained by [tucking in] DENTURED (with teeth).Another word unknown to me. I thought 'false' was missing from the reference to teeth but apparently 'denture' can mean a set of natural teeth.
13 Exploit ambassadors, visibly embarrassed having got down (9)
FEATHERED - FEAT (exploit), HE (ambassadors), RED (visibly embarrassed). I think we may have a stray S on 'ambassadors' here as H.E. stands for 'His/Her Excellency' which in the plural would be 'Their Excellencies' so presumably the abbreviation would not apply.
15 Broccoli in clear base that's reconstituted (9)
CALABRESE - Anagram [reconstituted] of CLEAR BASE
16 Policy statement complicated by means of it? (9)
MANIFESTO - Anagram [complicated] of MEANS OF IT
20 Fool around, producing explosive component (5)
NITRE - NIT (fool), RE (around). Can RE really mean 'around'? I don't think so.
21 Heard tropical disease is for the solver to deal with? (5)
YOURS - Sounds like [heard] "yaws" [tropical disease]. I didn't know the tropical disease but took on trust that 'yaws' or 'yawes' would exist as such.
23 Duke in hat to see señorita's wiggle (5)
TILDE - D (duke) contained by [in] TILE (hat). Delightful definition!

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bletchleyreject
Jul. 16th, 2019 01:52 am (UTC)
I took 65 minutes, spending most of that in the NW. Never heard of 1a, which I guessed might be something to do with where Siamese twins are joined and was stuck on 'objective' as a noun so took a while to see FLAIR. WAHOO was also new and AITCHBONE only barely remembered.

The 'One to depart this world' and especially 'señorita's wiggle' defs brought a smile.

Thanks to setter and blogger
kevingregg
Jul. 16th, 2019 02:50 am (UTC)
24:36
I knew the cat was a something-POINT; for some reason I thought it was BLUE, which was clearly wrong. It took me a long time to recall. It also took me a long time to justify DHOTI (I was stuck on CU) & BEFIT after I'd tentatively biffed them. DNK WAHOO, AITCHBONE. I never figured out UTENSIL, or 'member'. Fortunately, CALABRESE recently appeared here; I didn't know it then. Also fortunately, for rhotic moi, I did know of yaws, which of course doesn't sound like 'yours' in my dialect.
horryd
Jul. 16th, 2019 03:15 am (UTC)
Slow down you move too fast.......
Another 59 minutes and no good reason.

DNK WAHOO DK YAHOO!

FOI 4dn IN THE ALTOGETHER - Danny Kaye indeed!

LOI 7dn IAMBI

COD 23dn TILDE

WOD 11ac DHOTI

Re-21dn YOURS (YAWS) this crossword, by definition, does not take into consideration 'Brother Jonathan's' dialectic perambulations.


Edited at 2019-07-16 03:17 am (UTC)
ulaca
Jul. 16th, 2019 04:38 am (UTC)
42’
Definitely one for those of a Mephistoish inclination, as reflected on the SNITCH. A whopping six unknowns for me, so, like England, just happy to get across the line.

Incidentally, I wrote to the ICC before the tournament began telling them it was a mistake to appoint Lee Harvey Oswald as the third umpire. Will they never learn?
guy_du_sable
Jul. 16th, 2019 05:23 am (UTC)
sexy TILDE and the mystery cat
I thought 23 was brilliant… My guess about SEAL-POINT had to do with one of those two-headed external plumbing fixtures I've seen in NYC, labeled "Siamese," which seems a bit insensitive. Also wondered if WAHOO wasn't a transliteration of a Biblical place name… I didn't know the disease, either—nor would I have guessed that it was spelled like that…

Edited at 2019-07-16 05:25 am (UTC)
mcchoc
Jul. 16th, 2019 06:48 am (UTC)
Just
. .a one coffee puzzle today
mcchoc
Jul. 16th, 2019 06:52 am (UTC)
6 D
Misread definition of this one - turns out it has nothing to do with a radical depilatory method . . .
z8b8d8k
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:00 am (UTC)
Re: 6 D
...though it might well produce a loud wahooooooo!
jerrywh
Jul. 16th, 2019 06:55 am (UTC)
Found this easy today, despite not knowing wahoo. No problems with 1ac as I used to own a blue point Siamese, or vice-versa, rather. MER at amabassador(s).
Thanks for the blog Jack, interesting list of honey bear synonyms; kinkajou has appeared here a couple of times in the past I think
sawbill
Jul. 16th, 2019 06:57 am (UTC)
14 minutes
Quite quick for me. Glad to see ASTRONAUT on this day but cannot see any other references. COD to the TILDE.
sawbill
Jul. 16th, 2019 09:10 am (UTC)
Wahoo
I knew the word WAHOO but now realise on reflection that I knew it as a fish that I have eaten in foreign climes not as a bush.
Re: Wahoo - horryd - Jul. 16th, 2019 06:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
myrtilus000
Jul. 16th, 2019 07:20 am (UTC)
One Nitre (one Nitre), one Nitre in heaven...
30 mins with yoghurt, granola, etc. Plus Mrs M is making brownies and I got to lick the bowl. Wahoo!
I had a tiny MER at ambassador(s), but a bigger one at around=RE? We typically have: about, regarding, concerning, touching, apropos. But around?
Thanks setter and J.
jackkt
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:06 am (UTC)
Re around
Glad I'm not alone. As none of the other regulars had mentioned it I was beginning to think it was just me. If accepted, it opens up a whole range of possiblities that I don't think we have seen before.

In trying to justify it I got as far as 'centred / based around' as being 'on the subject of', so 're' in that sense, but 'around' on its own seems a step too far. Also 'around' can be 'about' when meaning 'surrounding' or 'in the vicinity of', but 'about' in that context can't be substituted by 're'.

Edited at 2019-07-16 08:07 am (UTC)
HEs - horryd - Jul. 16th, 2019 09:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Read my lips - paul_in_london - Jul. 16th, 2019 04:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Read my lips - horryd - Jul. 16th, 2019 05:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
Touche, but... - paul_in_london - Jul. 16th, 2019 09:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Re around - kevingregg - Jul. 16th, 2019 10:38 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Re around - dorsetjimbo - Jul. 16th, 2019 10:52 am (UTC) - Expand
dorsetjimbo
Jul. 16th, 2019 07:35 am (UTC)
No problem with this - straight top to bottom solve

Good to see at least a tip of the hat to the events of 50 years ago - let's hope it is deliberate!
keriothe
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:13 am (UTC)
9:52. I found this quite easy, in spite of the funny words. WAHOO, for instance: it doesn’t look remotely likely but if you follow the assembly instructions it’s what you end up with.
Same MERs as others on the ambassadors and ‘around’.
boltonwanderer
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:13 am (UTC)
Puffin' Billy
I romped through this in 18 minutes. Unusually, the anagrams solved quickly, apart from the tricky AITCHBONE, as did the two long down clues. I've never asked for an aitchbone steak though. I'd heard of the cat and the Indian apparel was what Gandhi wore, was't it? COD to IN THE ALTOGETHER. As you say, Jack, you can't hear that without singing along witth Danny Kaye, particularly if you're of an age that listened to Uncle Mac on Children's Favourites. I naturally enjoyed this. Thank you Jack and setter.
z8b8d8k
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:29 am (UTC)
Yaws for the asking
20.04, though I thought at one point I was in for a marathon. Only a scattered few in the grid when FEATHERED (not worrying about the plural) suddenly dawned and then everything else rather fell in.
I was mystified by the burning bush reference but assumed whatever a WAHOO was that was it. Nothing to do with immolating American presidents, then.
Today I also learned what CALABRESE was, other than a rather euphonious word. Not being a POTUS, I eat mine.
Thanks Jack - for another informative blog, and for including the Danny Kaye song, which was my immediate thought too.
robrolfe
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:37 am (UTC)
We have lift-off
Maybe we'll have one reference a day for the duration of the mission. SEAL-POINT took a lot of dredging up, as I was convinced that 'main line' was POINT, and had also thought of and rejected BLUE POINT. Still not sure about 'strip' for RIDGE. Dnk WAHOO, needed all the checkers. Liked TILDE, AITCHBONE and FEATHERED, despite the rogue s.

23', thanks jack and setter.
keriothe
Jul. 16th, 2019 08:46 am (UTC)
RE: We have lift-off
I wondered about the definition of ‘ridge’ but ODO has ‘a raised strip of arable land’ and Collins and Chambers have similar definitions that include the word ‘strip’.
RE: We have lift-off - (Anonymous) - Jul. 16th, 2019 08:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: We have lift-off - keriothe - Jul. 16th, 2019 10:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
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