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Times Cryptic 27242

I completed this in 24 minutes, one of my fastest times for solving a puzzle on a blogging day. It would have been quicker but for a hold-up at the very end in the SW corner where 16 and 21 eluded me until I had dealt with 17dn -  I knew it was the original name of  'tungsten' but it wouldn't come to mind.

As usual definitions are underlined in bold italics, {deletions and substitutions are in curly brackets} and [anagrinds, containment, reversal and other indicators in square ones]

Across
1 Development angle initially ignored in training (8)
EDUCTION - EDUC{a}TION (training) [angle initially ignored]
6 God as revealed in performance by Salvationists (6)
SATURN - SA (Salvationists - Salvation Army), TURN (performance)
9 Collecting bits and pieces? (13)
NUMISMATOLOGY -  A cryptic definition that's not very cryptic, with 'bits' and 'pieces' both being coins and the N-word meaning the collecting of coins. It's still a very neat clue though.
10 Grieve for bird that disappeared inside mountain (6)
BEMOAN - MOA (bird that disappeared - became extinct) contained by [inside] BEN (mountain)
11 First man to hold pen maybe creating massive barrier (5,3)
ASWAN DAM - ADAM (first man) contains [to hold] SWAN (pen)
13 Opposing or supporting check by social worker (10)
PROTESTANT - PRO (supporting), TEST (check), ANT (social worker)
15 Tongue in ancient city to be enough for listeners (4)
URDU - UR (ancient city), DU sounds like (for listeners) "do" (be enough - as in 'that will do')
16 Affected material finally cut (4)
TWEE - TWEE{d} (material) [finally cut]
18 Spokesman opening with dramatic work (10)
MOUTHPIECE - MOUTH (opening), PIECE (dramatic work - as in 'villain of the piece')
21 One used to beat dispirited infantry (8)
FLATFOOT - FLAT (dispirited), FOOT (infantry).  'Flatfoot' is a slang term for a policeman who as we all know at one time used to patrol his beat. The British army had many 'Regiments of Foot' before the terminology was changed to Infantry.
22 Hard men in secret place make drastic cuts (6)
DEHORN - H (hard) + OR (mean) contained by [in] DEN (secret place). I'm wondering if there is a meaning of 'drastic' that's particularly relevant to the dehorning process but I haven't been able to come up with one.
23 Mug collection regularly goes astray (6,7)
ROGUES' GALLERY - Anagram [astray] of REGULARLY GOES. A rogues' gallery is a collection of photographs ('mugshots') of criminals that is kept by the police and used when they want to identify someone. 'Mug' is slang for 'face'.
25 Influence thing done by little devil (6)
IMPACT - IMP (little devil), ACT (thing done)
26 Cardinal in there crippled after tango (8)
THIRTEEN - T (tango - NATO alphabet), anagram [crippled] of IN THERE
Down
2 Ballet star has no regrets coming up short (7)
DANSEUR - RUES NAD{a} (rues nothing so 'has no regrets') [short] reversed [coming up]. I think it's just a male ballet dancer and not specifically a ballet star. 
3 Left cutting remark in personal manner (11)
COMPORTMENT - PORT (left) contained by [cutting] COMMENT (remark)
4 Dramatist elevated in Verlaine's biography (5)
IBSEN - Reversed [elevated] and hidden in {verlai}NE'S BI{ography}. I await publication the book with interest!
5 River's northern one a gelatinous substance blocks (7)
NIAGARA - AGAR (gelatinous substance) is contained by [blocks]  N (northern) + I (one) + A
6 Timepiece best in sample collection (9)
STOPWATCH - TOP (best) contained by [in] SWATCH (sample collection) - a 'book' of  curtain or carpet fabrics for example
7 Company that sends up anything (3)
TWO - OWT (anything - Oop North!) reverses [sends up] with reference to the saying 'Two's company, three's a crowd'
8 Fox on road around some turning (7)
REYNARD - RE (on) + RD (road) contains [around] ANY (some) reversed [turning]
12 Eats nuts in Homer, which is anomalous (11)
NOURISHMENT - Anagram [which is anomalous] of NUTS IN HOMER
14 Sleepy old man dropping article in strait (9)
SOMNOLENT - O (old) + M{a}N [dropping article] contained by [in] SOLENT (strait). The Solent is the strait that separates the Isle of Wight from the mainland of England.
17 Metal bolt and stuff (7)
WOLFRAM - WOLF (bolt - as of food), RAM (stuff)
19 Stressed and too drunk to go to bed? (7)
UPTIGHT -  UP can mean 'not in bed', TIGHT (drunk). Put them together for a cryptic hint.
20 Scottish historian in Cumbrian city to speak (7)
CARLYLE - Sounds like [to speak] "Carlisle" (Cumbrian city). Thomas Carlyle was more than just a historian, but he first came to my attention when travelling in Scotland many years ago I spent a night along the way in his birthplace, Ecclefechan, where there is a large statue commemorating his association with the village.
22 Capital at one time husband invested in food store (5)
DELHI - H (husband) contained by [invested in] DELI (food store)
24 State purpose falling short (3)
GOA - GOA{l} (purpose) [falling short]

Comments

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kevingregg
Jan. 8th, 2019 02:10 am (UTC)
16:17
Visions of DNF danced in my head as I got the checkers for 22ac; I was sure I didn't know any word that could fit. But the wordplay finally came through, although it was my 2d to LOI, BEMOAN being the LOI. I was wondering about the homophony in 15ac, as I was thinking of 'due' as in 'due diligence'. (Of course 'due' sounds exactly like 'do' in my dialect, but my dialect doesn't count.) Liked SATURN and FLATFOOT.

Edited at 2019-01-08 02:20 am (UTC)
glheard
Jan. 8th, 2019 02:12 am (UTC)
7:37, so on the quicker side for me. Was a little nervous about FLATFOOT but didn't think it could be anything else.
bletchleyreject
Jan. 8th, 2019 03:49 am (UTC)
No Fonteyn, Nureyev or Bussell
I was going very well until I hit the NW corner and was held up by 1a, 2d and 9a. Thanks for explaining the DAN (reversed) bit of 2d which I couldn't understand. Finished in 42 minutes.

Favourites were the 'One used to beat' def. in 21a and my LOI and COD, the innocuous looking but very clever 7d.

Thank you to setter and blogger
horryd
Jan. 8th, 2019 04:15 am (UTC)
AP- OLOGIES
For 37 minutes I had 13ac as CONTESTANT which left me with 1dn as the improbable DANSERO (Doris Day!?).

That which parseth all understanding.

FOI 22dn DELHI

LOI 1dn DANSEUR

COD 7dn TWO

WOD NUMISMATOLOGY - I recently discovered there was once a PHILATOLOGICAL Society of Kingston, who were arch rivals of the Jamaican Philatelic Society in the early 20th Century. In May 1920 they merged.

TEGESTOLOGY is the collecting of beer mats.......

Taxidermist for one!



Edited at 2019-01-08 04:15 am (UTC)
sawbill
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:07 am (UTC)
Stanley Stamps Gibbon Album
Thank you. I looked up the story in a back number of the Jamaica Gleaner (I am working in Jamaica on and off for 14 months).
Re: Stanley Stamps Book of Gibbons - horryd - Jan. 8th, 2019 09:29 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Stanley Stamps Book of Gibbons - sawbill - Jan. 8th, 2019 10:51 am (UTC) - Expand
ulaca
Jan. 8th, 2019 04:22 am (UTC)
16 minutes, outMondaying Monday's.

Re DRASTIC, I guess it might appear pretty harsh if you were the bovine involved, and then of course it is an extreme process, in terms of the location of the horns.
john_dun
Jan. 8th, 2019 02:05 pm (UTC)
It's pretty drastic if you're a rhino being dehorned by poachers!
(no subject) - kevingregg - Jan. 9th, 2019 05:44 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - john_dun - Jan. 9th, 2019 11:34 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jerrywh - Jan. 8th, 2019 04:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
vinyl1
Jan. 8th, 2019 04:46 am (UTC)
No on the wavelength at all...
....struggled for 41 minutes. Yes, a few were obvious, but many weren't. I struggled with 'Saturn', a cleverly disguised chestnut.

I would consider a 'swatch' to be a single sample, not a collection. Many years ago, at age 19, I worked for a summer at the sales offices of a fabric manufacturer. Part of my job was to make up books of swatches for the salesmen to use.
jackkt
Jan. 8th, 2019 06:00 am (UTC)
Swatch
Your point hadn't occurred to me or I'd have looked it up when blogging. Having checked it now I can confirm that all the usual sources have both, with your definition coming first and the setter's, second. For the avoidance of doubt in the latter case, all of them list 'swatchbook' as an alternative.

Edited at 2019-01-08 06:08 am (UTC)
Re: Swatches - horryd - Jan. 8th, 2019 09:43 am (UTC) - Expand
sawbill
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:09 am (UTC)
usual 30 minutes
Really enjoyed TWO, WOLFRAM and ROGUES GALLERY. Thanks all.
keriothe
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:09 am (UTC)
It's not a very neat clue, it's absolutely dreadful. What a waste of 10 minutes.
jackkt
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:48 am (UTC)
Which one?
myrtilus000
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:21 am (UTC)
It's a Nard Reyn's a gonna fall-all-all-all...
25 mins with toast and the delightful Gin&Lime Marmalade.
I liked the crispness of cluing and some witty defs.
Mostly I liked: Mug collection and One used to beat.
Thanks setter and J.
dorsetjimbo
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:25 am (UTC)
Bread and butter offering with no stand out clues. The Solent is like a mill pond this morning.
gothick_matt
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:30 am (UTC)
42 minutes, possibly because I'm a bit 14d today.

Isengrim came up recently, or I'd have been a lot less sure of REYNARD.

FOI 4d IBSEN, enjoying V. getting a mention. After that it took a few passes through, with a lot of clues—DEHORN, TWEE, EDUCTION, so forth—needing a third or fourth look, until I finished off with 2d DANSEUR.

Liked 19d UPTIGHT and 21a FLATFOOT.
pipkirby
Jan. 8th, 2019 12:25 pm (UTC)
Slow day
Struggled a bit with this, compared to most. 45 minutes with TWO my LOI, not being on an up north wavelength. Now I see it I remember the "bread with nowt taken out". Well blogged jackkt thanks for explaining 2d.
(no subject) - oliviarhinebeck - Jan. 8th, 2019 12:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
philjordan
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:40 am (UTC)
Round....
....DEHORN. Nah - stop messing about !

A straightforward enough offering, with a tiny hold-up as I tried to justify "dehort" before the truth dawned.

FOI ASWAN DAM
LOI DEHORN
COD NUMISMATOLOGY - also liked FLATFOOT, and ROGUES GALLERY
TIME 9:07
johninterred
Jan. 8th, 2019 08:50 am (UTC)
I wasn't sure of FLATFOOT or why DEHORNing is making a drastic cut. NHO EDUCATION, but it was clear from the wordplay and checkers. COD to ROGUES GALLERY. 16:02.
quailthrush
Jan. 8th, 2019 09:40 am (UTC)
My first contribution. I've been doing the Times crossword off & on for ever (most recently a month late in Oz) and been enjoying the blog for a while.
Sometimes, like today, I'm quite quick (17 mins) and other times I can stare at it for hours seeking inspiration even when others don't find it too difficult. It's hard to explain why.
LOI was NIAGARA. For some reason I was convinced that the falls were on the St.Lawrence river.
jerrywh
Jan. 8th, 2019 09:50 am (UTC)
Welcome! The St Lawrence is the other end of Lake Ontario .. it's worth a peep at Google maps, the geography is interesting thereabouts. The Niagara is less than 60km long in total ..
horryd
Jan. 8th, 2019 09:51 am (UTC)
Welcome,
Mr. Quailthrush - with such a moniker - a fine avatar is on the cards.
quailthrush
Jan. 8th, 2019 12:36 pm (UTC)
RE: Welcome,
Indeed. I wanted to use one of my photos of said bird but couldn't see how to upload it to LiveJournal
Re: Welcome, - jerrywh - Jan. 8th, 2019 04:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
RE: Welcome, - quailthrush - Jan. 8th, 2019 11:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
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