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Times 27208 - take it away, setter...

Solving time: 10:36, which is about on my average, but there is only one faster time than me on the club board at the moment (great time, aphis99) and a few of the regulars seem to have taken longer than usual.

Stellar puzzle for wordplay, particularly the subtraction in 6 down that is a great spot, but may result in the clue being biffed by many, since there is only one plausible answer for the checking letters.

First definitions are underlined in clues

Away we go...

Across
1 Caught a musical, say, about Charlie, a real money earner (4,3)
CASH COW - C(caught, dismissal in cricket), A, SHOW(musical, say) surrounding C(Charlie)
5 Rolled bran flakes with very little appeal all round (7)
VIBRANT - anagram (well I thought it was an anagram, just seems to be normal) of BRAN with V(very, little), IT(sex appeal) surrounding it. Vibration can be considered a rolling of a surface
9 Map routes all round Cheddar? (9)
MOUSETRAP - anagram of MAP,ROUTES, since the cheese could be used as such
10 Argument over railway concern (5)
WORRY - ROW(argument) reversed then RY(railway)
11 Duck is able to get across eastern sea (5)
OCEAN -  O(duck, more cricket), CAN(is able to) surrounding E(eastern)
12 Museum investing millions in cultural inheritance (9)
HERMITAGE - M(millions) in HERITAGE(cultural inheritance)
13 One predicting bank clerk’s after a lot of money (7-6)
FORTUNE-TELLER - a bank TELLER after FORTUNE(a lot of money)
17 Spring kept looking good (4-9)
WELL-PRESERVED - WELL(spring), PRESERVED(kept)
21 Small mammal, disturbed, Welshman’s hidden? (4,5)
TREE SHREW - THREW(disturbed) containing the Welsh name REES
24 North American food, mostly (5)
NACHO - NA(North American), CHO(w). The whole clue is the definition
25 What’s in Thai, like our Eastern verse (5)
HAIKU - the middle letters of tHAi, lIKe, oUr
26 Travellers’ aid in electronic Scottish Bible? (9)
GUIDEBOOK - A Scottish Bible could be a GUID(good), E-BOOK
27 Tear on freeway regularly and hit the vehicle in front (4-3)
REAR-END - REND(tear) after alternating letters in fReEwAy
28 Meet is outside of Filey on Saturday (7)
SATISFY - IS and F(ile)Y next to SATurday

Down
1 Butterfly with tail flying about open piece of land (6)
COMMON - the butterfly is a COMMA, remove the end and add ON(about)
2 Maybe a lot of cool tea as flu cure is crackers (9)
SAUCERFUL - anagram of AS,FLU,CARE... I have relatives who do this, pour tea out of the cup into the saucer and slurp it. Always struck me as pretty gross.
3 Carbon more efficient and less polluting (7)
CLEANER - C(carbon), LEANER(more efficient)
4 Storage facility a great bed used to be in (9)
WAREHOUSE - reference to the Great Bed of Ware, which I saw at the V&A museum in my first trip to Lonfon
5 Asp that is without power to puncture old queen? (5)
VIPER - IE(that is) surrpunding P(power) inside VR(Queen Victoria, who has a museum with a big bed in it)
6 Where there are pins keeping back the galley with key rope (7)
BOWLINE - this is amazing wordplay - pins are in the BOWLING ALLEY - remove GALLEY and add the key of E
7 Note men on Territorial Army vessel (5)
AORTA - musical note A, OR(men), TA(Territorial Army)
8 Result of crossing Scottish bridge railway keeps ending in Dundee (8)
TAYBERRY - the TAY BR(idge) then RY(railway making a second appearance)
14 Alpine ewes slide all over the place (9)
EDELWEISS - anagram of EWES,SLIDE
15 Farcical game’s cut short and one croupier’s losing support (9)
LUDICROUS - LUDO(game) cut short then I(one) and CROUPIER'S missing PIER(support)
16 Bird around with cherries half gone? Who could want that? (8)
TWITCHER - TIT(bird) surrounding W(with) and then CHER(ries).  A TWITCHER is a bird-watcher
18 Historical river meadow (7)
PASTURE - PAST(historical), URE(river)
19 Name of famous artist included in opening (7)
VINCENT - INC(included) in VENT(opening). Presumably Van Gogh
20 Jack skinned salmon in manoeuvre (6)
JOCKEY - J(Jack) then SOCKEYE salmon missing the outside letters
22 Anger arising about Heath, say (5)
ERICA - IRE(anger) reversed, then CA(about)
23 Hard to tamper with identity (5)
RIGID - RIG(tamper with), ID(identity)

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Lou Weed
Nov. 29th, 2018 02:05 am (UTC)
20m
Re 5ac: I guess technically BRAN is an anagram of BRAN, but it seems a bit lazy...

Edited at 2018-11-29 02:07 am (UTC)
kevingregg
Nov. 29th, 2018 02:09 am (UTC)
18:43
Some DNKs and missed parses, but they didn't seem to slow me down too much. VIBRANT and BOWLINE were my LOsI. I didn't expect BRAN to be an anagram of 'bran'; and I still don't, nor do I understand what 'flakes' is doing if it's not the anagrind. The definition gave me pause, too, but I'll take George's word for it; although 'rolling' would seem to be apter. I had a hard time getting past 'towline', even though I could make no sense of it. I finally saw the BOWLIN, but failed to see the galley-deletion; a great clue wasted on me. (The setter does the same thing with LUDICROUS, but I got that one.) Another wasted clue was TWITCHER, since I didn't know the word. An asp is a VIPER; does that not make 5d a DBE? (Not that I mind.)
vinyl1
Nov. 29th, 2018 03:09 am (UTC)
Not only is 'bran' not really an anagram of 'bran'....
...but is 'vibrant' really 'rolled'? I would expect 'vibrato', which I could not make to work. Perhaps this clue was reworked into incoherence.

I biffed a lot, and my time was still very slow. Not on the wavelength at all.

Edited to add: the correct parsing of 24 is probably NA + CHO[w].

Edited at 2018-11-29 03:11 am (UTC)
jackkt
Nov. 29th, 2018 06:13 am (UTC)
Re: Not only is 'bran' not really an anagram of 'bran'....
Collins has VIBRANT - trilled or rolled (phonetics)
glheard
Nov. 29th, 2018 03:31 am (UTC)
Hmmm... I didn't think of the non-anagram and now I'm a little puzzled. I wondered if there was a breakfast cereal named Vibrant, but there doesn't seem to be one. I thought that vibrant meant something in heraldry, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Hmmm...
Good catch on CHOW instead of CHOP, that didn't occur to me.
paulmcl
Nov. 29th, 2018 04:39 am (UTC)
I got there in the end, but took ages to get VIBRANT, BOWLINE, and TAYBERRY. I knew I was looking for that sort of cross, but I was looking for an animal. I still don't quite get VIBRANT, like everyone else it seems dubious at best. I liked the GUID E-BOOK too.

If you've never come across it, then you should take a look at the McGonagall's poem on the (real) Tay Bridge disaster (when the bridge collapsed). I'll get put in the penalty box if I put a link, but here's the first verse:

Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last Sabbath day of 1879,
Which will be remember’d for a very long time.
jerrywh
Nov. 29th, 2018 09:25 am (UTC)
MacGonagall has his own website
paulmcl
Nov. 29th, 2018 04:45 am (UTC)
Oh, and in the UK, MOUSETRAP Is just slang for any cheap cheese, typically industrial cheddar.
kevingregg
Nov. 29th, 2018 05:32 am (UTC)
I assumed that that was the reason for the ? And don't worry about posting a link: LJ will tell you that your message has been classified as spam, but one of the folks running this show will de-spam it. That's been my experience, anyway.
If you're a McGonagall fan, you should get hold of a copy of "The Stuffed Owl", an anthology of bad verse; I imagine he's in there.


Edited at 2018-11-29 06:18 am (UTC)
jackkt
Nov. 29th, 2018 06:26 am (UTC)
Biffed WAREHOUSE and was unable to find out what was going on in the wordplay until reading George's explanation (thanks for that!), but I had at least given up on trying to construct it from wordplay and assumed, correctly as things turned out, that it was a cryptic reference to something I never heard of.

By contrast at 5ac I pieced the answer together from wordplay (albeit a bit odd with 'branflakes' cluing BRAN) but had no idea what the defintion was supposed to be. I looked it up afterwards as mentioned in my comment above.

Overall this was great fun though, with BOWLIN{galley},E as the best clue construction of the day, and probably the week.

In my childhood in the early 1950s with shortages still in food shops the only cheese usually available was known as MOUSETRAP. A little later the choice was between that and Danish Blue.


Edited at 2018-11-29 06:33 am (UTC)
guy_du_sable
Nov. 29th, 2018 06:27 am (UTC)
The Great Bed of Ware! Thanks, I had no idea.
gothick_matt
Nov. 29th, 2018 08:27 am (UTC)
DNF, with the top-right corner pushing my hour out to an hour and twenty, and still not getting the unknown TAYBERRY. I'd thought of Tay for the bridge, but in the end I'd convinced myself that VIBRATO was more likely for 5a, as I couldn't see the parsing either way for that or VIBRANT, and VIBRATO seemed to fit better with "rolled". Plus "O" is a little appeal, right? And there were quite a few others unparsed, so it didn't seem unlikely that I just wasn't understanding what was going on.

I'd eliminated BRAN as an anagram of BRAN. Sigh.
tringmardo
Nov. 29th, 2018 08:33 am (UTC)
Got there in the end but without understanding Bowline or Vibrant. So thanks George for the explanations, but like others, I think 5ac is not a very good clue at all. I don't think 'rolled' and 'vibrant' are really equivalent, whatever the expert linguists say! And 'bran' for 'bran flakes' is ridiculous (IMNVHO). Oh well, there's always tomorrow.
myrtilus000
Nov. 29th, 2018 08:37 am (UTC)
How you suffered for your sanity...
45 mins with a croissant and G&L Marmalade, hoorah.
DNK the great bed and struggled to parse the Shrew.
Vibrant is just dodgy.
Most time lost on the 'preserved' bit of well preserved, which eventually yielded the V for LOI Vincent.
Thanks setter and G.
Altogether now... Starry, starry night, Paint your palette blue and gray...
johninterred
Nov. 29th, 2018 08:43 am (UTC)
15:33. I remembered the Great Bed of Ware from another puzzle... just looked it up - it was a rather good Jumbo I blogged back in February. Like others I am mystified by VIBRANT. Thanks for parsing a couple I never got, George - BOWLINE. where I got the BOWLING bit but didn't see the missing alley, and HAIKU. JOCKEY my COD. I never knew TAYBERRY was a cross between a blackberry and a raspberry, but I do now.

Edited at 2018-11-29 08:44 am (UTC)
malcj
Nov. 29th, 2018 08:57 am (UTC)
9.02
Biffing all over the place and no time to notice the weirdness of 1ac or the neatness of 6dn. Time spent proof reading post-solve saved me from MUUSETRAP, which would otherwise have left me very grumpy.
john_dun
Nov. 29th, 2018 09:04 am (UTC)
Like many of us, I spent a lot of time in the NE with VIBRANT, TAYBERRY and BOWLINE my last 3 in. I was torn between VIBRATO and VIBRANT for a while, but eventually TAYBERRY arrived and clinched it. I saw the G subtraction, but missed the alley bit for BOWLINE. Clever! Didn't know The Great Bed of Ware, so postulated WAREHOUSE and waited for the checkers to confirm or otherwise. My Maternal Grandad always slurped his tea from the saucer. It was a source of amusement to me and my brother. He lost an eye in WW1 and spent a lot of his later life confined to bed. He was a great raconteur of children's stories but sadly passed away when I was aged 8. An enjoyable puzzle. 29:01. Thanks setter and George.
z8b8d8k
Nov. 29th, 2018 09:11 am (UTC)
Alas! I am very sorry to say!
Assuming "rolled" and VIBRANT are the same thing, the clue works just fine without the word bran. That would make sense of "flakes" (= bran) and would eliminate any suggestion of an anagram, which it isn't. Ed?
I submitted without leaderboard, having had a lengthy interruption, but I'm embarrassed by your time, George, as BOWLINE and the troublesome VIBRANT took at least as long between them as the you took for the whole grid.
JOCKEY also took longer than it should, not least because I forgot the required salmon and was working with cOHo.
I eventually liked the GUID BOOK, didn't see all of LUDICROUS, bluffed my way to TAYBERRY (the disastrous Tay bridge was my way in) and ended up with a typo. Not one of my better days, so I'm glad it was your turn George, for which many thanks.

Edited at 2018-11-29 09:12 am (UTC)
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