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Times Cryptic 27206

Solving time: 55 minutes, very nearly beaten by 1ac and 2dn but just managed to hold on until the answers came. We have a couple of complicated 'Russian doll' or nested constructions today in the wordplay.

As usual definitions are underlined in bold italics, {deletions and substitutions are in curly brackets} and [anagrinds, containment, reversal and other indicators in square ones]

Across
1 Old Creator? (6)
FORMER - Two meanings, the second vaguely cryptic
5 Don't talk nonsense about case of employee being slightly embarrassed (8)
SHEEPISH - SH (don't talk) + PISH (nonsense) containing [about] E{mploye}E [case of...]
9 In rift, apprehension starts to affect rock music genre (7,3)
GANGSTA RAP - ANGST (apprehension) + A{ffect} + R{ock} [starts] contained by [in] GAP (rift)
10 Dead centre, miles inside (4)
NUMB - M (miles) contained by [inside] NUB (centre). NUMB for 'dead' came up very recently, so it was in my mind.
11 Setter weary before end of house party (8)
JAMBOREE - JAM (setter), BORE (weary), {hous}E [end]. We've had JAM for 'setter' before but I took ages to think of it today having spent forever considering 'sun' which is the more usual cryptic 'setter' when dogs and crossword compilers are not being referenced. I always thought JAMBOREE came from the days of Empire, possibly the Raj, because I associate it with the Scout movement which has or had traditions steeped in that era, but the dictionaries say it originated as US slang in the 19th century.
12 Tell anyone but me: frankly, content unnecessary (6)
NOTIFY - NOT I (anyone but me), F{rankl}Y [content unnecessary]. Neat!
13 European Parliament in crisis on all fronts — long story (4)
EPIC - E{uropean}, P{arliament}, I{n}, C{risis} [all fronts]. My lips are sealed!
15 Furious to discover affair (8)
SEETHING - SEE (discover), THING (affair - love affair, romance)
18 Day having a rest rejuvenated climber (8)
MONSTERA - MON (day), anagram [rejuvenated] of A REST. Known to me only from crosswords, but one of its varieties is the Swiss cheese plant.
19 Bank simply ignoring me (4)
RELY - {me}RELY (simply) [ignoring me]
21 Almost expected to feed bagpiper's habit, man always playing? (6)
KIDULT - DU{e} (expected) [almost] contained by [to feed] KILT (bagpiper's habit). The definition is a bit loose but the question mark attempts to paper over the cracks. As far as I have been able to confirm, this portmanteau word means an adult who is interested in entertainment that's intended for children, so a 'man always playing' is not necessarily a KIDULT. Alternatively it is an adjective describing an entertainment that's aimed both at children and adults. It came up here once before in 2012 and somehow I have remembered it.
23 Fit fifty helium cans into storeroom (8)
ATHLETIC - HE (helium) contains [cans] L (fifty) then that's all contained by [into] ATTIC (storeroom). There's no doubt that attics are often used to store things but I don't think that's what they're designed for and I can't find reference to 'storeroom' in the usual dictionary defintions.
25 Film not seen, reportedly? (4)
MIST - Sounds like [reportedly] "missed" (not seen)
26 After a bit, one willing to be bowled over by Charlie’s good spelling? (5,5)
WHITE MAGIC - WHIT (bit), GAME (willing) reversed (bowled over), I (one), C (Charlie - NATO alphabet)
27 Go below red line embroidered onto uniform (8)
UNDERLIE - U (uniform - NATO alphabet), anagram [embroidered] of RED LINE
28 All English Premier League teams advanced, stuffing outsiders in trophy (6)
TWENTY - WENT (advanced) contained by [stuffing] T{roph}Y [outsiders]. I gather there are 20 teams in the EPL.
Down
2 Spiritual icon I see in US city (5)
OMAHA - OM (spiritual icon}, AHA (I see). OM was previously unknown to me but this is its entry in Collins: Hinduism - a sacred syllable typifying the three gods Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva, who are concerned in the threefold operation of integration, maintenance, and disintegration. It makes a change from the Order of Merit, I suppose.
3 A packet young men found under a stone, lifted up (9)
MEGABUCKS - A + GEM (stone) reversed [lifted up], BUCKS (young men). 'Packet' as in 'cost a packet'.
4 Answerone required in experiment, perhaps? (6)
RETORT - Two meanings. The second remembered from school chemistry lessons.
5 Certain to arrest soldier donning dress if sozzled in Queensland suburb (7,8)
SURFERS PARADISE -  SURE (certain) contains [to arrest] PARA (soldier) which is itself contained by [donning] anagram [sozzled] of DRESS IF. It was fortunate for me that the answer is also an expression in its own right as I've never heard of the suburb nor even the city in which the suburb is located.
6 One getting bigger, bear no more being said? (8)
EXPANDER - EX (no more), PANDER sounds like [being said] "panda" (bear).
7 Old drink bottles for wine (5)
PINOT - PINT (drink) contains [bottles] O (old). In the UK 'a pint' as a drink is most likely to mean a pint of beer.
8 Important packs provided, round near the end (9)
SEMIFINAL - SEMINAL (important) contains [packs] IF (provided)
14 Legal requirement for faculty (9)
PROVISION - Two meanings. On edit: Thanks to Kevin for pointing out this should be a single definition (legal requirement) parsed as: PRO (for), VISION (faculty). I had a query over the double myself but thought I had found something in one of the usual sources to justify it - clearly I was wrong. 
16 For which hack or chaser on course, ultimately? (5,4)
HORSE RACE - Anagram [hack] of OR CHASER, {cours}E [ultimately]. 'Hack' and 'chaser' are both types of horse.
17 Presenting act, a bird of the highest order entertains? (8)
BESTOWAL - BEST OWL (bird of the highest order) contains [entertains] A
20 Danger which carries on (6)
THREAT - THAT (which) contains [carries] RE (on)
22 Account, I expect, not entirely free (5)
UNTIE - Hidden [not entirely] in {acco}UNT I E{xpect}
24 Dunce demonstrating hint of intelligence in current mark (5)
IDIOT - I{ntelligence} [hint of] contained by  [in] I (current) + DOT (mark)

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ulaca
Nov. 27th, 2018 02:10 am (UTC)
Bottled it
Couldn't remember the test tube thingie (if I ever knew it in the first place), so gave up the struggle after 50 minutes to look up which of 'return' and 'retort' was right.

Lots of good stuff here, but FORMER gets top honours for its conciseness.
vinyl1
Nov. 27th, 2018 03:35 am (UTC)
The attic of your mind....
....is used as a storeroom for words you have only barely heard of - and this puzzle forces you to bring them forth. I struggled for a good hour, but completed the puzzle in the end. I could make nothing of 'underlie', seeing 'rl' in the middle as 'red line', which makes it mighty hard to account for the rest.

I did struggle in the end with 'kidult', until I saw that 'expected' must = 'due'.

I seem to remember the best owl from a previous puzzle, but it still caught me out for a bit.

Edited at 2018-11-27 03:57 am (UTC)
martinp1
Nov. 27th, 2018 03:44 am (UTC)
kidult? KIDULT??!! The English language does infuriate at times..
Surfers Paradise, Jack, is a suburb of the City of Gold Coast and best avoided around Schoolies Week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoolies_week

45m 53s
jackkt
Nov. 27th, 2018 06:14 am (UTC)
Thanks. The only Gold Coast I ever heard of is/was in West Africa and not a city. 'Schoolies' is as bad as KIDULT in my book.
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aphis99
Nov. 27th, 2018 03:51 am (UTC)
Surfers
SURFERS PARADISE a gimme for us Aussie solvers. It's a slightly classier Antipodean version of Blackpool.

The wordplay for BESTOWAL and similar clues is rather convoluted but I guess it works.

Edited at 2018-11-27 03:51 am (UTC)
boltonwanderer
Nov. 27th, 2018 03:44 pm (UTC)
RE: Surfers
There's nothing in Australia classier than Blackpool.
RE: Surfers - Malcolm Abaza - Nov. 27th, 2018 04:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
brnchn
Nov. 27th, 2018 04:57 am (UTC)
Doubtful definitions
To me Surfers Paradise is a beach or at a stretch a town, but I have to concede that with population growth across the Gold Coast it is now technically a suburb. I was agog to see which Queensland suburb Times solvers were expected to recognise!

More substantially: the Monstera Deliciosa in our backyard doesn’t climb an inch! It just sits on the ground and bears fruit.
kevingregg
Nov. 27th, 2018 05:25 am (UTC)
completed, anyway
Maybe under an hour; signed off at about 25', finished it over lunch. NHO KIDULT, NWTHOIA (never want to hear of it again). I cleverly got the L and HE at 23ac, and persisted in trying for a word that had LHE in it. NHO of the suburb either, but biffed it on the basis of S _S/ A I E; wasn't sure if it was a place name--dumb place name--or a common noun. Liked THREAT and NOTIFY.
keriothe
Nov. 27th, 2018 07:55 am (UTC)
About 20 minutes (I was interrupted so no exact time).
I haven’t been to SURFERS PARADISE but I have been to Noosa, which is close enough for me to have heard of the suburb. As others have noted though you don’t really need to know it. We were in Noosa during Schoolies Week, which was far less of a problem then the overwhelming and inescapable stench from rotting algal bloom.
I rather like the word KIDULT: it describes nicely a certain type.
pootle73
Nov. 27th, 2018 08:06 am (UTC)
25:58
Like our blogger I struggled in the NW corner, with OMAHA, FORMER and RETORT taking some time to yield. I didn’t know the other definition for retort so it was a toss up between this and return but retort seemed to fit the definition of answer a little better. COD to EXPANDER for its Pythonesque silliness.
mrkgrnao
Nov. 27th, 2018 08:22 am (UTC)
OMAHA required some prolonged meditation after LLAMA had been thought better of. And so yet another day of me taking the Snitch down a peg or two.
myrtilus000
Nov. 27th, 2018 08:29 am (UTC)
Omaha love, my darling, I've hungered for your touch...
40 mins with yoghurt, granola, etc.
Like others, I struggled in the NW. DNK Monstera or Kidult, but easily constructed.
Mostly I liked: 'good spelling', Best Owl and COD to the convoluted Horse Race.
Thanks setter and Jack.
gothick_matt
Nov. 27th, 2018 08:32 am (UTC)
If I get any more practice pulling teeth, someone'll give me an honorary doctorate in dentistry! Completely off the wavelength, with plenty unparsed and unknown, including the long 5d. On the plus side, I did manage to finish it all off correctly in 57 minutes.

Very surprised to find the MONSTERA was a climber. I've got one right here, and it doesn't look like it'll be going upwards any time soon...

FOI 13a EPIC, LOI 28a TWENTY, knowing nothing about football. Thanks for struggling through this one for us, Jack!
guy_du_sable
Nov. 27th, 2018 09:00 am (UTC)
I didn't get to this till quite late, ran out of steam about halfway through but persevered, and was so frazzled that I couldn't parse PINOT. D'oh! FORMER also took an unaccountably long time, and KIDULT was rather surprising… "Cost a PACKET" is new to me too.

Edited at 2018-11-27 09:03 am (UTC)
philip jordan
Nov. 27th, 2018 09:16 am (UTC)
Like swimming through treacle
Didn't enjoy this one - too much obscurity for my liking, and I was glad to see it off. Still preferable to listening to GANGSTA RAP, which I parsed post-solve along with WHITE MAGIC.

FOI EPIC
LOI SURFERS PARADISE
COD MEGABUCKS
TIME 17:36
dorsetjimbo
Nov. 27th, 2018 09:17 am (UTC)
Found this a bit of a struggle, especially 1A. Some slightly quirky definitions such as the number of football teams in a particular league

Knew SURFERS because I once gave the keynote address at a convention of auditors from Japan, Oz, NZ etc that met there. Strange place.
boltonwanderer
Nov. 27th, 2018 09:47 am (UTC)
One more cup of confit for the road
Just returned from a long weekend in the beautiful city of Prague, where Mrs BW (a cockney whose 'Us' are indistinguishable from her 'As) discovered the perils of weak homophones. She ordered a Duck Confit in the Cafe Louvre, Kafka's favourite restaurant, only for a black coffee to arrive for her at the same time as my braised beef and dumplings. The time then taken for the right dish to arrive could well have been the inspiration for a rewrite of The Trial. We could hear all the staff 'corpsing' with the poor waiter.
Constructed KIDULT without having the faintest idea about the word. Never heard of SURFER'S PARADISE but the fact it had to include SURE plus anagram did make it soluble. I've not used a RETORT since 1963 A level Chemistry. I used to have a MONSTERA Deliciosa until it died. Of course I knew how many teams in EPL. COD to FORMER. About 40 minutes.Thank you Jack and setter.

Edited at 2018-11-27 10:04 am (UTC)
isla3
Nov. 27th, 2018 03:25 pm (UTC)
Re: One more cup of confit for the road
Dylan's second greatest song.
Re: One more cup of confit for the road - isla3 - Nov. 27th, 2018 04:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
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