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A fun puzzle this morning, not too difficult - I was able to fill in quite a lot of the top left corner more or less immediately (2D pulling off the impressive feat of being self-describing) - but not without some chewier clues to deal with thereafter. Easy to get into, harder to get out of, just the way I like them. I didn't time myself properly but I think I was somewhere in the 15-20 minute range, so I'm not going to be surprised when the rest of you prodigies report some sub-10-minute scores.

As stated I hit the ground running, so FOI was probably 1A. LOI was 10A - the shortest words can be the hardest, if there isn't too much to work with on the surface! My COD is probably 20A because I appreciated the "Gang of Four" device, not to mention the fact that that's the name of a superb post-punk group from the 70s/80s, making this crossword exceptionally relevant to my interests...

Across
1 STEM - support: S [second] + {i}TEM [article, "ignoring first"]
4 AMBASSADOR - minister: ADOR{e} [worship "shortened"] after B [bishop] in AMASS [collect]
9 GUINEA FOWL - a bird: GUINEA ["out-of-date bread", ie old currency] + F{eeding} + OWL [other bird]
10 QUIT - give up: QUIT{e} [every bit, "nearly"]
11 ADAGIO - slow movement: A GI [a soldier] in ADO [trouble]
12 MINISTRY - government department: MINIS [small cars] + TRY [tax]
14 USER - junkie: US{h}ER ["heartless" conduct]
15 SUBJECTION - bondage: SUBJECT [participant] + I ON [number one, ie NO I, "rejected"]
17 DISEMBARKS - lands: (MISSED*) ["at sea"] around BARK [bay]
20 MOST - the majority: {parliamen}T SOM{etimes} ["gang of four", ie four letters, "backing"]
21 TEMPTING - attractive: {sco}T ["finally"] "stops" TEMPING [working as locum]
23 LUSTRE - merit, distinction: (RESULT*) ["different"]
24 RANK - triple def [utter / highly offensive / order]
25 APOLOGETIC - sorry: POLO [explorer] in AG + ETIC [middle of {par}AG{uay} + call = CITE "back"]
26 HIT THE SPOT - was just right: punny "potential slogan for acne treatment"
27 TIER - bank: double def with person joining, ie one who ties

Down
2 TOUT DE SUITE - "immediately from abroad": TOUT [solicitor] + SUIT [case] in DEE{d} [action "almost"]
3 MENAGERIE - collection of beasts: M [male] + NAG [horse] in EERIE [sinister]
4 AT A LOSS - stumped: A TOSS ["what the uncaring don't give"] when A L [a learner] "comes in"
5 BLOOMSBURY GROUP - [G.E.] Moore's followers: GROUP [collect] after BLOOMS [flowers] + BURY [put in ground]
6 SILENCE - put a stop to: double def with "what's prayed before toast", as in "pray silence!"
7 DOUBT - question: D OUT [daughter, wrong] about B [bachelor]
8 RATTY - cross: RAY [beam] "spanning" T T [two junctions]
13 ROOM SERVICE - "good hotel will offer it": (CRIME OVER SO*) "appalling"
16 TIME SHEET - worker's schedule: HE in (ESTIMATE - A*) "false" "regardless of A"
18 BRIGADE - contingent: BRIGAND - N ["nameless" outlaw] + E [European]
19 SOLD OUT - exhausted: SOLD{iers} [troops "not half"] + OUT [exposed]
21 TORCH - burn: TOR [rubbish = ROT "written about"] + CH [church]
22 MANET - Impressionist: MEANT [was determined] "to put down" E [English]

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verlaine
Sep. 5th, 2014 08:12 am (UTC)
"the essence of what Bloomsbury drew from Moore is contained in his statement that 'one's prime objects in life were love, the creation and enjoyment of aesthetic experience and the pursuit of knowledge'"

And so say we all?
jackkt
Sep. 5th, 2014 08:29 am (UTC)
Thanks to Verlaine for taking over my old Friday slot and I'm glad I didn't land you with a stinker to mark the occasion.

This was all quite easy apart from 5dn, my last one in, which I eventually solved by working out what fitted the checkers rather than understanding the workings of the clue. In my book this is a somewhat obscure reference since Moore was not actually a member of the group in question, only that his philosophy influenced their beliefs which they also took from many other sources.

43 minutes with the last 8 spent on 9ac and 5dn.
verlaine
Sep. 5th, 2014 09:09 am (UTC)
Mm, I would never have got "Bloomsbury Group" just from the reference to Moore, and indeed I had to look it up in Wikipedia to find out which Moore we were talking about. Fortunately I saw "GROUP" early on and once it obviously began with BLOOMS it was easy enough to put 2 and 2 together...
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pootle73
Sep. 5th, 2014 08:29 am (UTC)
20 minutes, quick by my standards, for a straightforward solve with no unknown words and little GK required.

I knew BLOOMSBURY GROUP from studying Virginia Woolf at A Level though I didn't know Moore. I vaguely remember Leonard someone being another member. Or was it Lionel? At 20A I was tempted by an unparsed MASS for majority but thankfully caution prevailed and I spotted the smooth reverse hidden, also my COD.
ulaca
Sep. 5th, 2014 08:42 am (UTC)
35'
I obviously know less than I thought about the Bloomsbury lot (none of who agree with me, even if early V. Woolf - Leonard was her husband - is okay), as I wrote in 'Bloomington' at first. Actually, I wrote in 'Bloomingto' as there were only ten spaces, but didn't seem to notice. (The 'group' had already gone in, in case anyone is wondering how I man - no, I thought not).

If you hit a zit, I rather imagine it would burst, so that might well be a slogan up there with 'You're never alone with a Strand' - the fag commercial which bombed in the 50s because it reminded folks how friendless they were.
pootle73
Sep. 5th, 2014 08:56 am (UTC)
Re: 35'
Funnily enough, I initially tried to put in Bloomington as well.
joekobi
Sep. 5th, 2014 09:42 am (UTC)
Completed trudgingly; when a clue like 21 dn. takes forever to fall there's trouble afoot. However it all fell together at the end. 24.28. Strange how the B. Group's aura still seems to hang around. Something to do with manic talent and the antics of a privileged class I suppose. Personally I like V. Woolf's 'A Room of One's Own' but find the pages of the others I've tried turn backwards.
Andy Borrows
Sep. 5th, 2014 09:58 am (UTC)
17 mins. Count me as another who didn't know the Moore/BLOOMSBURY GROUP connection and I didn't solve it until quite a few checkers were in place. I thought LUSTRE was a well-hidden anagram because of the double definition, and it led to my LOI, SOLD OUT, where I hadn't been thinking of the correct meaning of "exhausted".
z8b8d8k
Sep. 5th, 2014 10:05 am (UTC)
20.44. After yesterday, we obviously needed reminding of what a Proper Times Crossword looks like. With apologies to the setter who had the misfortune to follow yesterdays fireworks/explosion in a typesetting factory/travesty/work of genius (delete to taste), my oath. this was dull! Nothing wrong with it, though.
bigtone53
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:05 am (UTC)
27:44
As z8 says, nothing wrong with this but nothing to get excited about. I did not know the Moore connection to the BG but having seen GROUP and seeing flowers and putting into the ground, it had to be. Despite Ed's comment yesterday,I will continue to look for NINAs, not least because occasionally, they appear apparently unintentially.
keriothe
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:23 am (UTC)
24m. For some reason I got completely stuck for at least ten minutes on my last two in, 17ac DISEMBARKS and 18dn BRIGADE. They don't seem that hard in retrospect, but then they never do.
Like others I didn't know about G.E. Moore, but it wasn't really necessary.
penfold_61
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:43 am (UTC)
K, they were my L2i as well, brigade before disembarks. I think what made the former tricky (for me at least) was, even having figured out how the clue was supposed to work, having to then decide if outlaw was a verb or noun and if contingent was a noun or adjective (as I think you work in a similar field to me you may have had contingent liabilities in mind).
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vinyl1
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:26 am (UTC)
About 30 minutes....
...a routine puzzle after the excitement of yesterday. I found 'guinea fowl'/'silence'/'subjection' a bit difficult at the end, and was left for a long time without 'quit'.
malcj
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:42 am (UTC)
After spotting Ratty at 8dn I spent ages looking for Mole and Badger but to no avail. 16 minutes and QUIT LOI.
penfold_61
Sep. 5th, 2014 11:48 am (UTC)
15:39, slowed a little at the end by my last two (see above). I tried to get a start with the 4-letter clues but they were mostly a bit tricky with no checkers. For some reason I skipped user so my first in was tier.

Like others I didn't know which Moore and thought the expression was B SET.
crypticsue
Sep. 5th, 2014 12:03 pm (UTC)
Just over 13 mins with Tippex in two places.
chris_gregory01
Sep. 5th, 2014 12:07 pm (UTC)
Well Moore wasn't a member of the Bloomsbury Group for a start, so I'm not surprised some people found the clue a bit tricky.

Was this dull after yesterday? Well, it was probably quite a sedate run out anyway, with yesterday's being an aberration/ abomination (delete as per z8).

22 minutes.
dyste
Sep. 5th, 2014 12:28 pm (UTC)
35 minutes for a fairly straightforward solve, but not dull, in my view, since there were several that had me thinking for a while, such as 4, 9 and 15.

I'm another one who didn't connect GE Moore with The Bloomsbury Group. From my university days I remember him as one of the founders of modern linguistic philosophy and the editor of Mind.
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