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Times Crossword 25,152

Solving Time: 18 mins which makes it about average difficulty.

I am slowly learning not to make snap judgements about these crosswords that I may later regret. This one certainly had its share of cliches (DA = lawyer, IT = sex appeal, I for current, IN = fashionable) but it seems a sound, solid effort overall and it had some good, neat surfaces too, eg 11ac, 27ac, 13dn. Well up to standard, I'd say

cd = cryptic definition, dd = double definition, rev = reversed, anagrams are *(--).
ODO means the Oxford Dictionaries Online

Across
1distinguished - DISHED containing element = TIN + GUIS(e)
8stir - ST(a)IR
9staggering - STAGE + RING containing G(uitarist)
10trimaran - TRIM + A + RAN
11Tahiti - current = I + THAT rev., containing I
13rottweiler - go off = ROT + *(RILE WET) - and not an anagram of rile wet dog, as I first assumed.
16exam - M + AXE, all rev.
17data - (American) prosecutor = DA, + TA
18taskmaster - TASTER containing ASK + M
20permit - PE + RM + IT.
22squaddie - S + QUAD + DIE. Though if one dies, one does more than just decline I would have thought. I suppose something can die as in die away..
24contradict - CONTRACT containing DI
26omitted, ask if need be
27recalcitrance - *(A CLERIC) + TRANCE
Down
1deteriorate - DATE containing E(x)TERIOR
2strum - cricketing term du jour, stumped = ST, + RUM
3insurgent - *(INS) + URGENT
4grapnel - GEL containing N + PAR, rev.
5ingot - IN + GOT, as in "got the picture.."
6harshness - HAR(SH)NESS
7omitted, ask if need be
12tragedienne - *(IN GREAT NEED). And not tradegienne, as I originally wrote.
14traumatic - *((h)AIRCUT) containing MAT
15rum butter - RUMB(a) + UTTER
19sashimi - SASH + I + MI, sashes being what windows used to have and sometimes still do, unless they have casements. But I prefer tempura.
21trail - T + RAIL = bar
23doyen - DO + YEN
25oar - today's homophone, "ore." Hands up, those of us who didn't know "spoon" is an informal name for an oar

Comments

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jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 12:54 am (UTC)
Amazed to find this blogged already! Add an hour to your solving time, Jerry, and that will tell you mine. And I cheated a couple of times along the way once the hour was past.

Looking back on it now I'm not sure what the problem was because the clues are fairly conventional stuff with more than a few cliches thrown in and nothing unknown other than GRAPNEL which I suspect was simply forgotten. I hope I won't be the only one to have found it on the hard side.
mctext
May. 2nd, 2012 01:38 am (UTC)
39:21
So add me to the list who found this harder than JW. And ditto jackkt: it doesn't look so hard after the fact. Suspect the grid had a bit to do with the trouble: if you can't get 1dn right away there are six initial unches to work around. Then chuck in the brevity of many of the clues. As a relief, all the 3s and 4s were easy enough for a change.

1ac took me forever to see, with so many cryptic possibilities. And that didn't help either!

sotira
May. 2nd, 2012 02:01 am (UTC)
Wet shaggy dog
19:15 .. really enjoyed this one.

Last in …SQUADDIE, where that "Space before U, think Q" finally saved me.

I'm sure you're far from alone, jerrywh, in having spent some time looking for the anagram of 'wet rile dog'. It just looks like an anagram.
(Anonymous)
May. 2nd, 2012 02:19 am (UTC)
strum?
I never heard that one in regard to cricket (but I know darn little about cricket). I figured "strum" and play (a guitar).
ulaca
May. 2nd, 2012 03:49 am (UTC)
Re: strum?
You're right re the literal; but the wordplay requires 'st' (the abbreviation for stumped, one of the ways of being dismissed in cricket - look out for 'c' for caught', 'b' for bowled and possibly 'ro' for run out) + 'rum' = peculiar.
jerrywh
May. 2nd, 2012 07:52 am (UTC)
Re: strum?
And m = maiden, o = over, w = wide, nb = no ball. I vaguely remember seeing DL for Duckworth/Lewis once, but I don't remember ever seeing lb or lbw, so far..
rosselliot
May. 2nd, 2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
Re: strum?
Now there's a challenge setters! Can look forward to gelbwurst (a yellow Barvarian sausage) soon?
ulaca
May. 2nd, 2012 03:52 am (UTC)
Fret not, Jack! This took me two hours, with two wrong - two of the easier ones (a hasty 'insistent' at 3dn pushing me to the unlikely 'arkmason' for the boat) after being ground down in the bottom half. I thought this was a terrific puzzle, in spite of my travails. As McT says, havigng a 'displaced' 1dn makes it that much harder for those of us who routinely start there. COD to SQUADDIE.

Edited at 2012-05-02 03:53 am (UTC)
jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Yes, I also went for 'insistent' at 3dn for a while and managed to double up the wrong letter in ROTTWEILER having eventually abandoned the idea of 'rile wet dog' as anagrist.
dtelconvert
May. 2nd, 2012 05:06 am (UTC)
I don't follow 11a. Current = I?
jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 05:12 am (UTC)
It's the symbol for electric current in physics etc. You'll need it a lot around here!
dtelconvert
May. 2nd, 2012 05:14 am (UTC)
OK, new one by me, will lock that in the cryptic lobe of my brain...thank you
dorsetjimbo
May. 2nd, 2012 08:53 am (UTC)
Also r=resistance and v=volts. At school you should have learned Ohm's Law I=V/R
mctext
May. 2nd, 2012 05:39 am (UTC)
Not to mention Iodine?
(Anonymous)
May. 2nd, 2012 01:06 pm (UTC)
A direct reference from its use in physics, most modern electrical appliances have an 'i' (for current) on the on/off switch.
martinfred
May. 2nd, 2012 06:36 am (UTC)
Enjoyable and straightforward, except for the SE. SQUADDIE, SASHIMI and RUM BUTTER defeated me. I'd worked out the definitions but was pretty certain I didn't know the answers: it would have helped if I hadn't been fixed on either 'ct' or 'woo' for 'court' in 22ac. Many thanks for the blog, jerry.
martinp1
May. 2nd, 2012 06:44 am (UTC)
I still don't like gym = PE..mutter, mutter! To me gym = the building not the activity. I was surprised that this took me only 67mins as I thought it a bit of a brow furrower. As with Jerry, I tried for a while to make an anagram from rile wet dog. That was my COD but I did like 1ac, 22ac, 27ac and 4d as well. BTW, You let me down, Jerry! Over in The Times I predicted that 17ac would be omitted from the blog here.

Edited at 2012-05-02 06:48 am (UTC)
jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 07:30 am (UTC)
Gym
I know this has been covered in the forum, but for the benefit of those without access I will mention that I take 'gym' here to refer to 'gymnastics' rather than 'gymnasium' and those of a certain age will remember 'Gym' as the activity that used to feature in school timetables before PT and PE were invented.

On edit: This reading is supported in all the usual sources.

Edited at 2012-05-02 07:38 am (UTC)
jerrywh
May. 2nd, 2012 07:56 am (UTC)
Sorry Martin.. believe it or not I usually forget to leave any out at all, and have to go back and delete a couple afterwards. I really don't know why we bother, but who am I to upset a hallowed tradition?
(Anonymous)
May. 2nd, 2012 11:34 am (UTC)
Not all of you do bother, which makes your tradition more silly than hallowed IMHO.
z8b8d8k
May. 2nd, 2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
Most of us at least bother enough to add an identity to our posts, even if that, too, is sometimes a bit whimsical.
z8b8d8k
May. 2nd, 2012 07:48 am (UTC)
Just under 30 minutes online, with the congenital inability to spell ROT-thingy a considerable hold up.
I think a great deal hinged on whether you spotted the 1's straight off, which in my case was unlikely given that, like many, I was looking for one of the elements, probably an only vaguely familiar one. Slip=DETERIORATE is a slippery definition that didn't occur until some hard won crossers were in. At 20, I was looking (again) the wrong way round, something that ended -PER that meant attractive quality. That's what made this puzzle (for me at least) particularly tricky, a capacity for luring you to the wrong definition or the wrong anagrist.
No stand out CoD for me today - it wasn't that kind of puzzle.
dorsetjimbo
May. 2nd, 2012 09:00 am (UTC)
I really liked this puzzle and had great fun solving it in 25 minutes, so a tad on the difficult side for me.

Some great clues. All over the world people are trying to make an anagram out of "rile wet dog" - great stuff. And look at 1D - an excellent surface and construction. I think "die" for "decline" comes from "die back".

Many thanks setter and well done Jerry
john_from_lancs
May. 2nd, 2012 09:33 am (UTC)
A bit solemn for my taste, though perfectly fair, I imagine the Mephistopheleans will enjoy this one.

Took me about an hour though I cannot see why; it just exuded this air of being far more intimidating than it actually was, and that was enough to paralyse my brain.

Perhaps it was the two long words at 1 across and 1 down, with their subtle definitions; I was looking for a chemical element in 1 across, but I could only think of ones with 12 letters; though there is the improbable synthetic element Rutherfordium.
rosselliot
May. 2nd, 2012 10:34 pm (UTC)
And protoactinium (as I was taught), now Americanized to protactinium and ... wait for it ... unnilquintium. Try clueing that!
sghanson
May. 2nd, 2012 12:20 pm (UTC)
More difficult than usual for me, as some of the definitions were so well hidden (1A, 13A 22A, 1D), and when more obvious led to less common solutions (27A, 4D, 25D). But all very fair once solved.

It is possible that on another day I would have ben more on the setter's wavelength, but I doubt it.

Definitely a superior example of a Times puzzle.
sircharrington
May. 2nd, 2012 12:33 pm (UTC)
A prosecutor is not a DA, but a PA. DA is defence attorney, who as the name suggests represents the defendant.
jerrywh
May. 2nd, 2012 12:36 pm (UTC)
According to Chambers, a DA is in fact a District Attorney, employed by the state and thus a prosecutor...
jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
Yes, I learned that years ago from watching Perry Mason on TV. Also that PM was not a detective!
oliviarhinebeck
May. 2nd, 2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
Perry Mason
Indeed yes. The DA in PM is the wonderfully named Hamilton Burger. The PI is Paul Drake and the PA is Della Street. Immortal.
jackkt
May. 2nd, 2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Perry Mason
And the police detective is Lt Tragg. Another great name!
sircharrington
May. 2nd, 2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up, I suspected I might be wrong
jerrywh
May. 2nd, 2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
Maybe, but you certainly sounded pretty definite... read it again. I advise against sounding off like that, when you suspect you might be wrong.
sircharrington
May. 2nd, 2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
I suspected I might be wrong in that I doubted the setter and the editor would allow such a mistake to be published, and for it not to have been picked up on the blog. I may have sounded overconfident because I looked up defence attorney, presuming that to be the expanded version of DA.
(Anonymous)
May. 2nd, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
Why do some clues take an eternity to solve despite being fairly indicated?
I spent one of my nine lives trying to finish this puzzle because I was sitting in my daughter's violin class that went on for an hour and a half yesterday evening. For all my efforts I barely got through half the puzzle. And then I come here to the blog and see that the answers make perfect sense and duh! how come I did not see it!! Wonder why we (being kind to myself by including others though I don't think it true of the folks here) sometimes spend an eternity parsing clues when other more difficult are easily dismissed off of our presence.
sulimo_manwe
May. 2nd, 2012 02:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Why do some clues take an eternity to solve despite being fairly indicated?
Aargh! did not realize I was not logged in when I posted the comment above.. Sorry about the (Anonymous) in this specific instance ..
dorsetjimbo
May. 2nd, 2012 03:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Why do some clues take an eternity to solve despite being fairly indicated?
That's just how it is so no point beating yourself up. Having said that a background noise of a violin class hardly sounds like ideal solving conditions!
rosselliot
May. 2nd, 2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Why do some clues take an eternity to solve despite being fairly indicated?
It is the skill of hiding something in plain sight. Some setters are very good a disguising a clue so that it can be parsed in many ways, with the right one being the least obvious. Infuriating sometimes, but a delight to the masochist in us. It gives that DOH!!! moment.
keriothe
May. 2nd, 2012 04:03 pm (UTC)
25m. Glad others found it a bit knotty - I thought I was being thick! Tricky while solving, but looks easy in retrospect: a mark of quality.
joekobi
May. 2nd, 2012 04:39 pm (UTC)
Don't feel so bad about my 35 minutes after seeing a general air of varying difficulty above. Tricky little number, no complaints, something to get my teeth into before a trip to the rottweiler, that is, the dentist's.
heaton_daniel
May. 2nd, 2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
Really enjoyed this one. Thank you setter. Found it taxing but I never thought I'd not finish. Slow to get going but finished at a sprint once I'd late on got the four long ones round the edges. LOI Exam.
pipkirby
May. 2nd, 2012 06:09 pm (UTC)
disaster day
Couldn't finish, in two stabs, distracted by sunshine and overdue gardening, no concentration. Even so, thought it quite a difficult puzzle, spent forever making an anagram of 'rile wet dog', couldn't resolve 'tragedienne' either, still it's good to get a rude awakening from time to time. Congratulations to those who breezed through it. Or even tackled it while listening to a violin being tortured.

Edited at 2012-05-02 06:10 pm (UTC)
kevin_from_ny
May. 2nd, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
A tricky puzzle that took me about 40 minutes, with the greatest holdup on 1A and 1D. The crossers led me to DISTINGUISHED after a while despite not understanding the wordplay at all. (Ruined=Dished?). LOI was DETERIORATE, right after SQUADDIE, a word I only know from these puzzles. I got RUM BUTTER from wordplay only, and when (just now) I looked it up I find it's what I know as 'hard sauce'. Something saucy, indeed. COD to the TRAGEDIENNE, for the surface and because it's a lovely word. Regards to all, and thanks to Jerry for the blog and a salute to his fast time.
redgoriya
May. 2nd, 2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed this. Lots of longish answers, not a lot to start with, but it was the sort of puzzle I knew I'd be able to finish with effort. Last one in was GRAPNEL.

I didn't know trimaran (but I think I've seen it here before), squaddie, grapnel, sash = frame, advertise = trail (though I know 'trailer'), doyen, and oar = spoon.

On 13a, I was misled by (RILE WET DOG)*, and 18a I misparsed as T(ASK+MAST)ER(m), wondering how mast = mark!

I was not expecting 'actress' to be the definition in 12d.
john_dun
May. 2nd, 2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever finish a puzzle in less than an hour again. I really struggled to get on the setter's wavelength, but did finish with all correct in something over 2 hours.DETERIORATE was my LOI, but 1a only went in a couple before it making life difficult. Took me ages to spot TRAGEDIENNE due to miscounting the letters and not immediately looking for an anagram. Like many I also spent ages trying to turn RILE WET DOG into a word. Very satisfying to finish though. Thanks to Jerry for the blog. As has been said already it all looks straightforward when you can see the answers, but it has to be a sign of a good setter when it takes so long to work out.
tony_sever
May. 2nd, 2012 11:17 pm (UTC)
11:27 for me. Some clever stuff here, as well as a few stock clues. I too wasted time on "rile wet dog", despite an uneasy feeling that I might be being sold a pup.
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