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Times 26620 - 11 drinks later...

Solving time : 39:40 with my friend Brian helping me get one. OK - I am probably not in the best solving form at the moment since we went to Epcot at Walt Disney World and prevailed in the challenge of having a drink in all 11 areas of the World Showcase (woohoo). However, even in my admittedly inebriated state, this puzzle wasn't for me. Regular readers may know my dislike of cryptic definitions and I think there's two here. Scattered amongst is some clever wordplay but I can't say this was a winner overall. Feel free to toast me in comments.

Away we go...

Across
1SIZE: ASSIZE(old court) with AS removed
3COPERNICUS: CO(firm) then PERNICIOUS(injurious) missing IO(moon)
10GIRAFFE: GAFFE containing IR
11ASTRIDE: RIDE on A ST(street, public way)
12THREE MEN IN A BOAT: cryptic definition
13DETAIL: or DE-TAIL
14REMEMBER: REM(eye movement), EMBER(a bit glowing)
17RED CORAL: anagram of COLD REAR
18UPKEEP: or UP KEEP
21BETWEEN YOU AND ME: anagram of WOMEN NEED BEAUTY
23CULVERT: VER(y) inside CULT
23CHEMISE: TRY removed from CHEMISTRY then E
25NUTCRACKER: NUT(fan), CRACKER(biscuit) - the Nitcracker Suite by Tschaikowsky
26HERD: sounds like HEARD
 
Down
1SIGHTED: double definition
2ZERO RATED: PERORATED(wound up speech) with a new first letter
3OPENER: double definition
5EXAMINER: EX MINER containing A
6NOT HAVE A PRAYER: tichy double definition
7CHINO: I then ON(leg side in cricket) reversed after CH
8SWEATER: cryptic definition
9A FLEA IN ONE'S EAR: jumper is A FLEA and the lug is an ear
15BREADLINE: anagram of DINER,ABLE
16MAGNETIC: NET in MAGIC
17RUBICON: RUB(clean), ICON(holy image)
19PREBEND: PRE(ahead of time), BEND(submit)
20TOUCHE: (m)UCH in TOE
22TO LET: DO(make) removed from TOLEDO then T

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horryd
Jan. 12th, 2017 05:14 am (UTC)
Drunk in Disneyland!
Walt would turn in his grave! My disdain for M. Mouse & Co is further strengthened. Perhaps your worst time ever and you had assistance from Brian!

My time was a sober 52 mins - except the Cooper's 'Oxford' is beginning to ferment. Fortunately M&S delivered some Seville Thick Cut this morning. I also used aids - in the form of a Jamaican Blue Mountain Coffee (from Balcarres) to finish.

FOI 4dn OPENER LOI 20dn TOUCHE

COD 10ac GIRAFFE WOD THREE MEN IN BOAT

PS I note D. Duck has been ticked off by the old Fox!

sawbill
Jan. 12th, 2017 03:29 pm (UTC)
RE: Drunk in Disneyland!
For Walt to turn in his grave, I think that you would need an ice-breaker?
kevingregg
Jan. 12th, 2017 05:33 am (UTC)
29:27 (sober)
What were you doing in Epcot? I mean, to go there, wouldn't you have to go to Florida? Anyway, I had problems in the NW, not knowing 2d for one thing. But CHEMISE was my LOI; almost forgot it as I was about to submit. I wasted time at 23ac taking 'channel extremely briefly' to be either CL or BY. The ballet T wrote, George, is 'The Nutcracker'.
horryd
Jan. 12th, 2017 05:50 am (UTC)
Re: 29:27 (sober)
I prefer The Nitcracker but not by Tchaikowsky (whoever he is?!)!

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mctext
Jan. 12th, 2017 06:01 am (UTC)
Didn't exactly ...
... breeze through. But managed to finish within a coffee+ this morning. That's roughly 20m. Helped a great deal by getting the long ones in quickly. (Haven't we had fleas in our ears recently?)

Best of the lot was 3ac. Galileo, I guess, would have been a bit stuck on the Moons of Jupiter without the Copernican system/model. (Many remember T.S. Kuhn for his speculative "Structures" book; but the earlier and very solid "Copernican Revolution" is the stand-out work for me.)

Wasn't too sure about this meaning of (p)ERORATED at 2dn. Haven't encountered it before. And took a while to see TOLE(do) at 22dn.
jackkt
Jan. 12th, 2017 06:06 am (UTC)
Oh dear, two dissatisfied bloggers in two days!

Like Kevin, I had problems in the NW and eventually used aids to get ZERO-RATED which then helped me to polish off 1ac and 13ac. I don't normally resort to aids so early but having solved all but three clues in 25 minutes and nothing has gone in for a further 10 it's time to call time.

To be a bit picky, I'm not sure that "rub" = "clean".



Edited at 2017-01-12 06:07 am (UTC)
mctext
Jan. 12th, 2017 06:19 am (UTC)
Rub clean
Wondered about this too.
But ODO has:

• make dry, clean, or smooth by rubbing: she found a towel and began rubbing her hair

Not very convincing, I admit. Wouldn't we say that the cleaning (as such) has been done prior to the application of the towel?
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mctext
Jan. 12th, 2017 06:23 am (UTC)
Oh and, George ....
... 26ac: isn't the clue a good description of Disney World? Has your name on it!
galspray
Jan. 12th, 2017 07:01 am (UTC)
21:00, but...
...didn't know PREBEND, and don't feel much the wiser now that I do. Will attempt to remember it for crossword purposes.

Thanks setter, and thanks George for the parsing of ZERO-RATED.
jackkt
Jan. 12th, 2017 07:36 am (UTC)
Re: 21:00, but...
Also didn't know PREBEND but I'd heard of "Prebendary" as some sort of church minister and assumed a connection to the way his salary is paid. But the fact that both definition and answer end with "-end" made me a little dubious.
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napasai
Jan. 12th, 2017 08:20 am (UTC)
Disneyworld
Have fun at Disneyworld. I took my daughters there last October. We had a great time although we took a more solid approach than you to Epcot - well, certainly less liquid. If you get a chance to do Cirque du Soleil while there, it is great. Enjoy!

Edited at 2017-01-12 08:21 am (UTC)
janie_l_b
Jan. 12th, 2017 08:36 am (UTC)
OWL-ish today...
… and that wrong letter was the B in PREBEND, where I had a … well, it doesn't really matter …

All others ok, ZERO RATED biffed, as was CULVERT, so thanks for explanations of those two.

COD: BREADLINE. Liked the def.

40mins.
z8b8d8k
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:15 am (UTC)
Like wading through porridge, really, with a lot of definitions, answers and bits of clues being a long way apart in my internal thesaurus. Exempla: Don't omit/remember, make/do, browser/giraffe, rub/clean, available/to let. None of them are actually dodgy, they just didn't make ready connections. Snub for me has connotations of ignoring, perhaps pointedly, rather than rebuke, but I see Chambers doesn't agree. I'm no big fan of "change one letter for another completely random letter" (ZERO RATED). So 37 minutes and a lot of head-scratching. Not sure whether that makes it a tough challenge or just an annoying one.
Loved the Nitcracker, George. Right up there with Swam Lake and the Sleeping Butty.
oliviarhinebeck
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:51 am (UTC)
Yes, "nitcracker" was great - it comes with the fine-tooth comb and the special shampoo from the chemist. And did you catch Rudolf Nureyev with Miss Piggy in Swine Lake? If George or Jack would be so kind as to de-spam me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbGqJ_MonU

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deezzaa
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:34 am (UTC)
I usually come to this site in all humility to discover my inadequacies but today I'm somewhat confused. For me this was relatively straightforward sub-30 minuter with no qualms about the definitions that have exercised others. I also appreciated the brevity of the clues with fewer of the "glue part A to part B then turn upside down" sort. I knew 19d from Prebends' Bridge: a crossing of the River Wear in Durham City from which the chocolate-box picture of the cathedral is taken; if you've never visited there, put it on your bucket list. Pleased to see a reference to one of my favourite books - you can keep Wodehouse, give me Jerome K Jerome every time.
john_dun
Jan. 12th, 2017 12:09 pm (UTC)
I stumbled across Prebends' Bridge last month after a pub crawl with the remnants of the Castle Football Team from 1970-73:-)

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keriothe
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:49 am (UTC)
24m. I felt way off the wavelength with this, and took ages over some not-very-difficult clues, but I enjoyed it a lot. Probably just my mood: my reaction to some of the admittedly looseish definitions could well have been irritation on another day. But whatever else you think of the puzzle 3ac is worth the price of admission on its own.
dorsetjimbo
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:57 am (UTC)
Like z8 and others found this mildly teeth grinding in its ability to irritate me but also liked the COPERNICUS clue

I believe George's favourite ballet is Barmen
jerrywh
Jan. 12th, 2017 10:21 am (UTC)
Found this very straightforward .. all four long clues easy. Quite bemused by some other comments! Not irritating, and several very good clues indeed esp. 3ac
bigtone53
Jan. 12th, 2017 10:31 am (UTC)
22:24 with no real issues. A lifetime of doing tax for a living made ZERO RATED a bung-in, PREBENDARY was known and COPERNICUS was good. As well as Thomas Kuhn's book. I would recommend Arthur Koestler's The Sleepwalkers, not only for its chapters on Copernicus but also for the gripping story of Kepler. Fans of Jerome K Jerome will recall his almost as funny follow-up, Three Men on the Bummel. Thanks setter and George.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 08:17 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, especially the German-English phrase book test. 😊 Invariant
boltonwanderer
Jan. 12th, 2017 10:47 am (UTC)
Today is Timmy's birthday
I'm another who came to PREBEND via PREBENDARY. The one I knew was definitely a loose canon. Late posting today as it' s our border collie's 15th birthday, and we gathered for a ceremony before I took him out for his constitutional. Sadly, he's got a wretched carcinoma in his nose which the vet thought would have done for him by now. He's been one of nature's gentlemen throughout his life, nothing like Montmorency in 12ac. Even my eldest who's left home was back for the event. Youngest is back to University in a few minutes too, having stayed home a day longer. Preserve your memories, they're all that's left you.
I liked this puzzle with COD UPKEEP. FOI COPERNICUS followed by OPENER. CULVERT always sounds American to me, as I first encountered the word in Perry Mason books as a teenager. The theme music will now be in my head all day. I know- this posting is incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial. Finished in just under 40 minutes.

Edited at 2017-01-12 10:51 am (UTC)
bigtone53
Jan. 12th, 2017 03:18 pm (UTC)
RE: Today is Timmy's birthday
Always sad to hear about any suffering old animal friend but especially a Border Collie. Just so intelligent.
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pipkirby
Jan. 12th, 2017 10:50 am (UTC)
Is EPCOT still EPCOT?
Zipped through this and enjoyed it, the 4 long ones fell in easily and the rest done in half an hour, with CHEMISE and TOUCHE taking nearly 10 mins of that. Didn't quite parse the ZERO bit, but clear enough.
I liked UPKEEP.

I went to Epcot when the kids were Disney age so must be 30 years ago, George is it still the same "... of Tomorrow" so really of yesterday? Or is it now updated to the future future? At least they still sell alcohol there, even decent Guinness if I remember rightly.

vinyl1
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:16 am (UTC)
This puzzle was obviously aimed at George...
....since it contains both 'chemistry' and 'herd', sounds like 'Heard.' The setter is definitely out to get him.....paranoid yet?

My time was about an hour, and I actually like the puzzle. Tricky literals and clever wordplay - I really had to think.



Edited at 2017-01-12 10:23 pm (UTC)
robrolfe
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:19 am (UTC)
Medicean stars
Was flying on this, even thoughts of a PB until I hit the SE. Liked COPERNICUS and GIRAFFE. In fact, liked the puzzle, 23'. Thanks gl and setter. Incidentally, my understanding of A FLEA IN ONE'S EAR was different, so I have learned something too.
gothick_matt
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:56 am (UTC)
What a glorious start I had (especially considering the head-cold) and what an ignominious end. Flew through the top half at the speed of a QC, slowed somewhat at the bottom but still heading for a possible PB. Then slowed further, and finally stalled at 39 minutes with 18 and 19 left to get. I eventually managed 18 in a fit of inspiration and bit of self-kicking.

And then I struggled on with 19 until I found something that seemed to fit the wordplay, knowing that I was likely looking for some religious thing I'd never heard of, and put in "presend". So, a 50-minute DNF with one letter wrong after a very promising first half-hour.
pootle73
Jan. 12th, 2017 01:19 pm (UTC)
I thought there would be more PRESENDs given send seemed most likely for submit, and PREBEND was obscure to me. Maybe atheism counted against me here.
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the_toff
Jan. 12th, 2017 12:25 pm (UTC)
30 for me slowed by misbiff at 6, not have a chance/l seemed reasonable...doh!
john_dun
Jan. 12th, 2017 12:26 pm (UTC)
Like Rob and Matt, I flew through the top half of this one then ground to a halt, eventually crawling over the line in 50 minutes. 9d and 21a resisted my thought processes for ages. Things started to move again when I got 22d and BETWEEN popped to the surface. Once I'd solved UPKEEP the P gave me PREBEND which I'd always associated with a position rather than a stipend. I did like 3a. Didn't know the meaning of PERORATED, but ZERO RATED was a write in with ORATED obviously to do with speech even though I couldn't fully parse it. Toyed with CONVENT for 23a until the penny dropped. Enjoyable puzzle. Thanks setter and George. I enjoyed the delousing ballet too:-)
paul_in_london
Jan. 12th, 2017 12:30 pm (UTC)
This was a relatively fast time for me of about 35 minutes, held up by one or two where the syntax in either the clue or the definition didn't click quickly. I liked some of the vocabulary - Copernicus and Rubicon particularly.
I'm impressed by your approach to EPCOT, George. It is an excellent example of a creative solution using only the information in the given.

Edited at 2017-01-12 12:32 pm (UTC)
sawbill
Jan. 12th, 2017 01:52 pm (UTC)
I would rashly like to agree with our blogger. I have seen the Nitcracker ( by Itchkowsky)).
davest100
Jan. 12th, 2017 03:05 pm (UTC)
Double French.

Held up at the end by the TOUCHE/CHEMISE crossing - ironic, given my previous life as a languages teacher.

Post-teaching I worked for the Environment Agency for a while and thus had to smile when CULVERT popped up. Culverting ( and not culverting ) provokes some of the most heated rhetoric in communications with the general public - who'da thunk it?

Chapeau to our esteemed blogger for even attempting, let alone finishing, his drinking challenge.

Time: all correct in around 45 mins.

Thank you to setter and blogger ( hic! )
janie_l_b
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Double French.
My previous life as a French teacher has been absolutely no help whatsoever in crossword-solving, and I am invariably stumped by anything remotely Gallic...
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 03:36 pm (UTC)
Dot dot dot...
As a QC graduate I seem to be at the stage where I generally have up to 3 blanks (excepting the very hard championship puzzles). An occasional all-correct brings huge satisfaction. Today i was stmped by Prebend despite having all checkers. But can anyone help explain the use of ellipses (Never seen that word as an answer) in 7 and 8d?
Alan
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 08:58 pm (UTC)
RE: Dot dot dot...
To designate continuation of a theme, ie clothing in this case. Invariant
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