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Times 26619 - put that in and smoke it.

Maybe I was in a less than enthusiastic mood today, but I found this more of a plod than a pleasure; I hope the esteemed setter will forgive me if everyone else finds it a blast. It took around 25 minutes, starting with 10a and ending with 19a which I got from wordplay and had to check was correct before going to press with this. On a day with more zest I think I could halve that time, so I expect the usual whizzos will be in single figures.
Don't get me wrong - there are some nice clues, a few chunky anagrams, some golfing terms, and a reappearance of HM's canine friend - is this the third one of late?

Across
1 DEMOTE - D for daughter, EMOTE to behave theatrically, D put down.
4 TRAIPSED - Anagram of STRIDE and PA(CE); D walked.
10 CARNIVORA - CARNIVA(L) = festival finishing early, insert OR for men; D Beefeaters, perhaps.
11 CORGI - I, G, ROC, reversed; D dog.
12 MAS - Uncle SAM reversed; D mothers.
13 DELAWARE BAY - AWARE, B (knowing, bishop), inside DELAY = hold-up; D US estuary.
14 MASHIE - M.A.S.H. we all remember, i.e. = that is; D club. A mashie today would be something like a 5 iron, but it sounds much more exciting and violent.
16 REISSUE - ER = hesitation, reverse it and add ISSUE for children; D once more put out.
19 CALUMET - A LUM is a (Scottish) chimney, so smoker; insert it into CE = church, add T being last thing of priest; D pipe, name for the pipe of peace smoked by our North American natives once.
20 HUNGRY - HUNGARY loses its A; D lacking fertility. Seems the word can be applied to poor soil, but I wasn't that keen on it, rather dull.
22 OUT OF BOUNDS - D forbidden territory, amusing-ish tired kangaroo idea.
25 PAH - D expression of disgust, sounds like your PA.
26 LARGO - L for line, ARGO the Greek ship Jason's lot sailed; D moving slowly, as in Handel's.
27 INSTALLER - I'S around (kitche)N, TALLER for getting higher up; D one fixing apparatus.
28 DRIFTAGE - EGAD ! would be 'that's surprising!' in some circles; reverse it and insert RIFT = disagreement; D deviation.
29 STABLE - ST short for Saint, person who's very good, ABLE for competent; D firm.

Down
1 DECAMP - EC for City (London busness disctrict post code), inside DAMP for rank air; D leave.
2 MARES TAIL - (MATERIALS)*, D plant. For once, a plant I knew.
3 TRIAD - Insert I being first person pronoun, into TRAD being jazz; D sort of chord. At first I had THIRD as I knew that was a chord, from my piano playing days, but I couldn't derive anything jazzy from TH RD, so I hit the road again.
5 ROADWORTHINESS - (HORSE AT WINDSOR)*, D reliability on the track.
6 INCURSION - INCURS = suffers, ION can be a tiny (charged particle) bit; D attack.
7 SCRUB - Double definition.
8 DAIRYMEN - (MIND YEAR)*, D Farmers.
9 SOUL DESTROYING - (OLDSTER IS YOUNG)*, D boring. Like I said before.
15 HOME FRONT - I saw this as HOME = in, FRONT = van, D people left behind to support soldiers.
17 STRIP CLUB - S = end of hiS, TRIP = journey, CLUB = driver maybe; D seedy joint. On behalf of the ecdysiasts location fraternity, I'd like to propose that they're not all seedy.
18 SCHOOLED - S(econd), CH(ild), (F)OOLED; D disciplined.
21 CHARGE - Double definition.
23 TORSI - IS ROT reversed, D trunks, Latin plural of torso.
24 SCANT - SCAN = examination, T = minimal time; d barely sufficient.

Comments

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jackkt
Jan. 11th, 2017 07:50 am (UTC)
The puzzle seemed fine to me. I needed wordplay for the unknown CALUMET, the less than familiar DRIFTAGE and HUNGRY as I didn't know the required meaning of the word. 37 minutes.
horryd
Jan. 11th, 2017 09:46 am (UTC)
Ditto
The puzzle seemed fine to me -too. I needed wordplay for the unknown CALUMET, the less than familiar DRIFTAGE and HUNGRY as I didn't know the required meaning of the word. 37 minutes.

COD 13ac DELAWARE BAY WOD 5dn ROADWORTHINESS
jackkt
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:30 am (UTC)
Re: Ditto
I claim plagiarism and breach of copyright!
mctext
Jan. 11th, 2017 07:55 am (UTC)
Not a lot to say
As Pip notes, a bit of a plod. Slightly phased by "lacking fertility" for HUNGRY. But as the owner of a quarter-acre of the stuff, I can attest that it's a very good word to describe crap soil.

Stand-out clue was TRAIPSED. Great hint of &littishness in this one.
dorsetjimbo
Jan. 11th, 2017 08:10 am (UTC)
Run of the mill puzzle which I found neither boring nor challenging - just more of the same. Liked LUM for smoker and the MASH reminder.
gothick_matt
Jan. 11th, 2017 08:32 am (UTC)
Curses! Another DNF for me this week. I even thought of the word CALUMET briefly, as apparently a chain of camera shops I've used in the past is named after the pipe. Sadly I didn't know that until coming here, and didn't know "lum" either, so the opportunity passed me by. I also didn't know MARES TAIL, and just couldn't see the anagram, so those crossers did for me.

jackkt
Jan. 11th, 2017 08:56 am (UTC)
lum
Only knew it from the saying "Lang may yer lum reek"
keriothe
Jan. 11th, 2017 09:25 am (UTC)
14m. Well I enjoyed this one. It's all neatly put together and there is a smattering of unusual words and meanings to maintain interest.
CALUMET is a bit unfair, I think. The word itself is very obscure and LUM, whilst common in crosswordland (sufficiently so that it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the word 'smoker'), is pretty arcane in real life.
Thanks for explaining HOME FRONT, Pip. I thought it was just a cryptic definition.
boltonwanderer
Jan. 11th, 2017 09:36 am (UTC)
I got no kick against modern jazz
Anagrams tricky with a SOUL DESTROYING time spent on my ROADWORTHINESS. At least got MARES TAIL quickly. Put in HUNGRY unconvinced too, and got CALUMET from cryptic without knowing what sort of pipe it was. But only 30 minutes which was good for me. The music prompted today is Handel's LARGO followed both by Acker Bilk's Buona Sera or Kenny Ball's Midnight in Moscow. It was my sister's mob 5 years older who really dug TRAD.
penfold_61
Jan. 11th, 2017 09:52 am (UTC)
Potato!
DNF. Proving that a little k is a dangerous t, I combined knowing that Maris Piper is a potato and that some varieties of potato are grown / harvested late in the season to concoct MARIS LATE for 2d. I even congratulated myself on my brilliant solvemanship, seeing through the plant/vegetable smokescreen.

Speaking of smoke, that of course made the already difficult CALUMET impossible so I left it blank.
gothick_matt
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:05 am (UTC)
Re: Potato!
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who invented a Maris Late at some stage. Once I saw "Maris" it was hard to get out of my head, and was probably what stopped me getting to MARES TAIL, even though I thought it might be "somthing's something".
pootle73
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:05 am (UTC)
28:45
I managed about half of this quickly, but unusually the half I'd completed were spread all over the grid. With all the crossers this gave me I'd have expected the second half to fall quickly but it proved not to be the case.

I was hesitant over my LOI, CALUMET, given my erroneous PLUMBLINE to finish yesterday and that my justification for CALUMET was the same - because it fits (I wasn't sure what one was, though I had a vague notion it was smoking related). Luckily proved right today.
robrolfe
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:23 am (UTC)
Largo
I felt I moved slowly through this, but it was only 21'. Just not excited, same as some others. CALUMET crossed fingers, did not parse CHARGE, DRIFTAGE a shrug, HUNGRY unknown. On the postive side liked the apperance of CARNIVORA. Thanks pip and setter.
rinteff
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:23 am (UTC)
26.29...
... so a happy recent graduate from the QC. Recognised CALUMET as a word but no idea what it was, so that went in last with fingers crossed, although knowing lum gave me some confidence.
isla3
Jan. 12th, 2017 09:28 am (UTC)
Re: 26.29...
Did you recognise it as a word from a film: The Blues Brothers? Did they play their gig in The Palace Ballroom in Calumet City, Illinois? Google tells me it's suburban Chicago. SW hard, also carnivora, hungry unknown meaning.
bletchleyreject
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:51 am (UTC)
I thought this was pretty good and I liked HOME FRONT, TRAIPSED and STRIP CLUB, all of which had an &lit feel. CALUMET - a mini 'lum reekie' of sorts - is one of those words I first came across in cryptics so it went in without too much trouble. Held up by a few such as INSTALLER so ended up taking about 40-45 minutes.

Thanks to setter and blogger
(Anonymous)
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:02 am (UTC)
QC graduate moving up
Finally managed to finish one of these since retiring last year, so exciting for me! Been a "Lurker" on this site for a while so thanks for all the help, albeit unwitting.
Roin
jackkt
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:41 am (UTC)
Re: QC graduate moving up
Welcome in from the lurk, Roin!
oliviarhinebeck
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:38 am (UTC)
calumet
There was a bit of a flavour of The Crown about this with corgis, horses and Windsor. Calumet Farm is a famous stud in Kentucky which has produced a string of Derby winners - no doubt HM is familiar with it. I kept looking for Chesapeake in 13a - DELAWARE is the inlet immediately North of it - so a slight Southern US flavour too. 15.02

I seem to be the first on the block this time so welcome to Rintoff and Roin! Nice work.
john_dun
Jan. 11th, 2017 01:22 pm (UTC)
No real problems with this one. I had to construct my LOI,the pipe, from wordplay but knowing that a lum was a chimney helped. Hadn't met the requisite definition of HUNGRY before. FOI was SAM. 34 minutes saw me over the line and the SW corner was again last to fall, but at least it was all correct today. Thanks setter and Pip. Congrats and welcome to rinteff and Roin.
janie_l_b
Jan. 11th, 2017 01:48 pm (UTC)
Just over 30mins with CALUMET, as others, LOI from wp.

Welcome to the QC graduates, always good to see new faces!
vinyl1
Jan. 11th, 2017 03:38 pm (UTC)
I found this pretty mediocre...
...and chugged home in 30 minutes. My LOI was 'charge', and I was thinking 'CH + ARGE'? How is 'arge' an adult? Then I saw the DD.

I had no idea what a 'calumet' was, or how the clue worked other than having 'a lum' in the middle, but it seemed right so I put it in.
bigtone53
Jan. 11th, 2017 04:28 pm (UTC)

Had to do on treeware due to ipad malfunction but a straightforward fill-in. I wonder whether we have a new setter here as the clues seem very wordy but if so, welcome to him or her.

Andy Borrows
Jan. 11th, 2017 04:33 pm (UTC)
15 mins. I thought some of the anagrams were pretty good, and while it wasn't a doozy of a puzzle I certainly don't think it was as dull as some of you did. Like a few of you I wasn't sure of the required meaning of HUNGRY, but the answer couldn't really have been anything else. I finished with SCHOOLED after CALUMET. I admit to toying with the idea of "Maris" as the first word of 2dn until the MARE'S TAIL penny dropped.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 11th, 2017 04:34 pm (UTC)
Surely "beefeaters" should be two words in this instance?
vinyl1
Jan. 11th, 2017 05:33 pm (UTC)
The rule in puzzles: punctuation doesn't count, decption is allowed. The setter is trying to fool you by making you think of the guards at the Tower, rather than the ones who just eat beef.
davest100
Jan. 11th, 2017 04:49 pm (UTC)
Back to front solve.

Defying all the laws of time and space, I started this slowly and finished at a canter.

Slightly held up by biffing MIASMA for 1d. but otherwise OK.

CALUMET dragged up from the vault.

As to the seediness or otherwise of strip clubs - I couldn't possibly comment......

Time: all correct in about 50 mins.

Thank you to setter and blogger.
kevin_from_ny
Jan. 11th, 2017 05:43 pm (UTC)
Not too tough, wondering if there was any significance to seeing both the MAS and the PAH in the puzzle, although a bit bamboozled by the PAH expression, which I didn't know. As a comfort to most, this American, like vinyl, had no idea of what a CALUMET is; I remembered Calumet City being a place in Illinois so I thought it meant that CALUMET is actually a word, so I put it in. Being able to solve the puzzle doesn't necessarily mean you're smart, eh? Regards.
grestyman
Jan. 11th, 2017 05:45 pm (UTC)
44m with a long time at the end on CHARGE, SCANT and INSTALLER, for reasons that are now unclear to me as they all seem obvious enough. Vexing as the long anagrams and the pipe went more or less straight in. I did pause over DRIFTAGE - it seemed an odd word and I couldn't parse it so thanks to our esteemed blogger for explaining that. Rather than dull I found this a bit wordy but a fair enough challenge!
wilransome
Jan. 11th, 2017 06:52 pm (UTC)
In 18dn isn't it the first letters of 'second child having' then 'fooled' without the f? How otherwise can one account for the 'initially'? Can't see why the setter bothered with 'initially'. Isn't ch a perfectly good abbreviation for child?
keriothe
Jan. 11th, 2017 09:18 pm (UTC)
I interpreted it like Pip when solving but I think you're right.
harmonic_row
Jan. 11th, 2017 07:08 pm (UTC)
OK puzzle; steady, fairly quick solve.
hydrochoos
Jan. 11th, 2017 07:15 pm (UTC)
Easy. Quick (for me that means 37 minutes, though). I biffed CALUMET -- I believe I once actually owned one, picked up on some Indian reservation half a century ago. I never actually saw MASH, but it rang a bell nonetheless, so MASHIE was all right (and my LOI). COD to DRIFTAGE, perhaps.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 11th, 2017 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re beefeaters. . . Mmm I suppose I'll have to go with the flow on that! Alas I remember the Times crossword as being a work of unparalleled, simple and precise beauty. That was in the 90's (gets all misty-eyed). Having only recently returned to it after a very long break, I'm finding it difficult to comprehend the use of slang, foreign words, and loose and imprecise definitions which seem to have invaded it. But I seem to be in a minority of one on all this, so I will bow out gracefully!
jackkt
Jan. 11th, 2017 10:56 pm (UTC)
Occasionally the Times presents us with puzzles from the archive and the thing that strikes me most about them is that they contain many loose and imprecise definitions and even looser and more imprecise wordplay. I think they tend to be from before the era you're thinking of, but it would seem to suggest that there may not have been a Golden Age when everything was perfect.

Edited at 2017-01-11 10:57 pm (UTC)
tony_sever
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:08 pm (UTC)
I suspect the golden age is when you first started solving the puzzles correctly with some regularity :-).
tony_sever
Jan. 11th, 2017 11:05 pm (UTC)
9:11 for this pleasant, straightforward solve.

No problem with CALUMET, which used to crop up regularly 50 years ago, typically with reference to Longfellow and Hiawatha.

I failed to parse SCHOOLED correctly, but am sure wilransome has it right.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:44 am (UTC)
OR
Can someone help a beginner to understand why "OR" means men?
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 11:48 am (UTC)
OR
Can someone please tell me why "OR" means men. Les Jones
(Anonymous)
Jan. 12th, 2017 03:02 pm (UTC)
Re: OR
Ignore question...just realised it's short for "other ranks"
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